[address-policy-wg] Re: [ncc-services-wg] Complaint: Overly complicated when requesting PI space

If you ask me it should be allowed to use PI space for clients (and give
clients the option to use/maintain more than a /30 (IPv4)). It is also in my
opinion not to RIPE (community or the NCC) to ask that information. The
should ask for general usage, how much would be used for clients for
example. How many clients a company has shouldn't be important to get PI.

Regards, Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: address-policy-wg-admin at ripe.net
[mailto:address-policy-wg-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Jeroen Wunnink
Sent: donderdag 16 juli 2009 14:46
To: McTim
Cc: address-policy-wg at ripe.net
Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Re: [ncc-services-wg] Complaint: Overly
complicated when requesting PI space

No it indeed isn't my call to make, which is why I opened a discussion 
here on the policy workgroup list. The current policy is in my opinion a 
bit too intrusive and time consuming, and I wanted to see if that 
opinion is shared by more people.

And if the two IP's are a guideline, why did the hostmaster give me, i 
quote:

If <insert our customer name here> customers are allowed to manage how more
than 4 IP
addresses are used on this network, then PI addressing space cannot be
used. Please confirm that even after the customer's network has been
expanded in the future, they will not be allowed to administrate more
than a /30.


And it's not my PI space/resource (that's not even possible as a LIR), 
It's been requested by us as a LIR on behalf of the customer on his name 
and own ORG object.



McTim wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Jeroen Wunnink<jeroen at easyhosting.nl>
wrote:
>
>   
>> We have very good relations with our customers, but once I have to pull
>> detailed growth and customer statistics from our customers, it gets kinda
>> awkward. Because these really aren't any of my (or RIPE's for that
matter)
>> business.
>>     
>
> I'm not sure that's your call to make.
>
> I'm all for responsible allocation of resources, but it should
>   
>> really stop at asking expected growth for IP space and how subnets are to
be
>> allocated.
>>
>> I got pointed to the rule 'A customer cannot hold more then 2 IP
addresses
>> in the PI space', what's up with that ?
>>     
>
> IIRC it's more of a guideline than a "rule" Rules are in the policy
> document where it says:
>
> "PI space cannot be re-assigned or further assigned to other parties."
>
> So if you are indeed assigning adresses to your customers, you need PA
> space.    I'm sure that the competent professionals at the NCC have
> pointed you to http://ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-471.html#9 already.
>
> This means that a customer with
>   
>> three SSL webshops and three IP's isn't allowed host his server in that
PI
>> range ?
>>     
>
> A customer is't "allowed" to do anything with your PI space.  You are
> however allowed to use it to support your business.  If I were you,
> I'd follow the advice of the NCC staff.
>
>   

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