[address-policy-wg] Re: [ncc-services-wg] Request Forms: updated and available on LIR Portal

Hay,

On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 12:51:31PM +0200, Hans Petter Holen wrote:
> > BUT... information like the equipment being used or a network
> > plan or so _must_ be optional information, not _required_ information.
> > It can't be that a company is _required_ to make statements about
> > their network and equipment if they want to have IP-Adresses!
> > (and no, RIPE doesn't always qualify for receiving such information).
> 
> This indeed an interesting point of view. It has been the practice for as
> long as I can remember for the RIPE NCC to ask for documnetation for the
> need for IP addresses.
> 
> Is there strong support in the community to remove this cirteria ?

Don't get me wrong. I'm talking about a special case here, respectively
about detailed information as in "equipment specs, model number...ect."
as well as stuff like "network plans".

If some company doesn't want to reveal such information, there's
not legal way to force them to do. 
If one does, there is certainly another ISP with an AW big enough
who gets the customer the IP adresses he needs without asking
such detailed information, regardless what RIPE wants (that's just
the real world situation nowerdays).

What i'm not talking abut is general information about the network
like "we have 5 PCs, 7 servers with 10 Interfaces and two routers
with 5 Interfaces and a fridge with ethernet" or so.

That's needed information as always.

But say if some company doesn't want to tell what product they use
for whatever, VPN dialin and they only say "we have 120 dialin lines
for our employees" that has to be enough. It doesn't matter 
if that's a Cisco or a Bintec or whatever anyways.
I've seen such information being confidental in the eyes of security
managers.
Let alone sending bills of the equipment or so to RIPE as verfication.

> If not, how should the LIR/RIR verify this criteria ?

How does a LIR verify this today? You go to every customer and
let you show everything?

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