Draft minutes of the TT-WG at RIPE51.

[Henk Uijterwaal <]

Dear all,

here are the drafts minutes of the TT-WG meeting at RIPE51.  There are
still a few URL's missing and the scribe missed at least 1 answer to
a question.  This will be corrected.  In the meantime, please let me
know of any other corrections that you might have.  Kind regards,

Henk





> Minutes of Test Traffic Working Group at RIPE51
> ===============================================
>
> Location: Krasnapolsky Hotel, Amsterdam, NL
> Date: 12 October 2005
> Time: 16:00 - 18:00
> Chair: Henk Uijterwaal - RIPE NCC
> Scribe: Mark Santcroos - RIPE NCC
>
> 1. Administrativia
>
> 2. TTM Status and Plans
>    - Henk Uijterwaal
>
> 3. Building a solution for active monitoring of the Swedish Internet
>    - Rickard Dahlstrand
>
> 4. EGEE Project
>    - Loukik Kudarimoti
>
> 5. Discussion on the Consumer Broadband Measurements draft
>    - Henk Uijterwaal
>
> 6. Measuring multicast on the Internet with TTM
>    - Gert Doering
>
> 7. AOB
>
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> 1. Administrivia
>    No comments on the minutes from the RIPE50 meeting, so these are now
>    approved.
>
>
> 2. TTM Status and Plans
>    Henk proxied the status of the TTM project from Ruud de Kooter (OPS
>    manager).
>    TTM service is running stable and OPS are looking into running 
> the service
>    more efficient.
>
>
> 3. Building a solution for active monitoring of the Swedish Internet
>    - Presentation at:
>
> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-swedish-monitoring.pdf
>
>    Q1: Heinrich Hauser, Amadeus. He thanks Rickard for his presentation and
>        the work he did. He works for a company who is a big consumer of the
>        Internet. He commented that he would like to see such 
> measurements done
>        for the whole Internet.
>    A1: Ok
>
>    Q2: Ruben van Staveren, RIPE NCC. He asked if Rickard considered using
>        priority queuing with PF, so that the measurement packets wouldn't
>        suffer from the traffic of users.
>    Q2: No, he didn't.
>
>
> 4. EGEE Project
>    - XXX URL of presentation missing XXX
>    Andrei Robachevsky, RIPE NCC: What exactly did you use the TTM data for?
>    XXX I missed the answer here XXX
>
>
> 5. Discussion on the Consumer Broadband Measurements draft
>    - Henk Uijterwaal
>    - Document discussed at:
>      http://www.ripe.net/ripe/maillists/archives/tt-wg/2005/pdf00001.pdf
>
>    Dave Wilson, HEANET: Feature request, Besides measuring from the home
>    to the endpoint at your own provider I would also like to measure to
>    another well known point on the Internet.
>
>
>    Daniel Karrenberg, RIPE NCC: It's probably not a good idea if RIPE NCC
>    puts machines at peoples home for a service. The ISP's should do that
>    themselves.
>
>    Andrei Robachevsky: Who would benefit from this?
>    Daniel Karrenberg:
>    1. To answer the remark: "There are not enough probes";
>    2. Demand for more data.
>    3. Nameserver operators, providers with BPG in multihomes setup.
>    4. Looking at it from 10km high, I feel operators need a lot more usefull
>       data if they want to use this for operational purposes.
>
>    Marco Hogewoning:
>    1. This could become too commercial.
>    2. Does this scale? This might become too much (unuseful) data.
>
>    Daniel Karrenberg: These kind of things needs to be measurered
>    independently, and the RIPE NCC can do that.
>
>    Marco Hogewoning: We need to make agreements about QOS. That operators
>    don't give the measurement traffic a high priority than the 
> normal traffic.
>
>    Rickard Dahlstrand: In general, what exactly is the scope of this?
>
>    Henk Uijterwaal: We all need to think about that indeed, let's take that
>    to the mailinglist.
>
>
> 6. Measuring multicast on the Internet with TTM
>    - Gert Doering
>
>    Gert had proposed on the mailinglist to think about measuring multicast
>    with TTM.
>    It was agreed that this is interesting and that discussion 
> should continue
>    on the list.
>    Possible first step would be to look at how well the current set of
>    testboxes are multicast connected.
>
> 7. AOB
>
>    Rickard Dahlstrand: Is interested in more measurement nodes for DNSMON.
>    Too euro centric currently. Offers help to get more machines in 
> Africa, etc.
>
> Meeting closes at 18:00.
>
> Test Traffic WG @ RIPE51 - Amsterdam.
>
> Actionpoints:
>
> * RIPE NCC: research the Multicast connectivity of the testboxes
> * All: Think about how to get more measurement nodes in TTM
>
> Highlights:
>
> * Proposal to measure Multicast using TTM
> * Consumer Broadband Measurements draft send to the list and
>   shortly discussed in WG
> * Discussion on how to measure DNSMON from more nodes worldwide
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