<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp1553cb02yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div></div> <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">This is exactly the point I am making George. I am not saying the RIPE Database is special. Exactly the opposite. So if there is a problem with using RPSL in the RIPE Database I assume it is likely all IRRs have the same problem. So should the IETF look at this issue or is it reasonable to change the way routing data is processed or handled only in the RIPE IRR?</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">cheers</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">denis</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">co-chair DB-WG</div><div><br></div> </div><div id="ydp3251f4d0yahoo_quoted_9719956746" class="ydp3251f4d0yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;"> <div> On Thursday, 14 May 2020, 16:16:13 CEST, George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> wrote: </div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div><div dir="ltr">The RIPE DB's RPSL is not special in any regard Denis. Its one BGP<br clear="none">configuration space after all.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">If the observations about the RIPE IRR are true, then is it not<br clear="none">equally likely they hold at other IRR too?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">So I think a reasonable approach here might be to take observations<br clear="none">about object types, complexity, usage, and ask other IRR if they also<br clear="none">see these behaviours?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">-George<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="ydp3251f4d0yqt9588396618" id="ydp3251f4d0yqtfd22409"><br clear="none">On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 12:00 AM ripedenis--- via routing-wg<br clear="none"><<a shape="rect" href="mailto:routing-wg@ripe.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">routing-wg@ripe.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Hi Gert<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> You are right, this has been an issue for many years. It is not only the problem of parsing RPSL but also an issue with people understanding it as a language and applying it correctly. But should this be an issue taken up by the IETF? Or do you think the RIPE Database could/should do something different to all other IRRs?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> cheers<br clear="none">> denis<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> co-chair DB-WG<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On Thursday, 14 May 2020, 14:45:11 CEST, Gert Doering <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:gert@space.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">gert@space.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Hi,<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 09:52:06AM +0000, ripedenis--- via routing-wg wrote:<br clear="none">> > Just a comment on the RPSL issue from the RIPE 80 session today. RPSL has little to do with the accuracy of data in the RIPE IRR. RPSL is just a language. Assuming you understand the language, it is your choice whether or not you maintain your data and keep it accurate and up to date.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Right.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> That said, the data quality regarding import: and output: lines in the<br clear="none">> RIPE DB is so poor that "bad and useless" is not halfway sufficient<br clear="none">> to describe its badness.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> I think import/export is beyond repair - it is too complex to correctly<br clear="none">> parse, and at the same time not expressive enough to describe policy<br clear="none">> precisely enough ("export to AS X as peer, no further upstreaming permitted"<br clear="none">> vs. "export to AS Y as upstream, further distribution expected").<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Gert Doering<br clear="none">> -- NetMaster<br clear="none">> --<br clear="none">> have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer<br clear="none">> Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann<br clear="none">> D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen)<br clear="none">> Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279</div></div></div> </div> </div></body></html>