[routing-wg]routing table growth

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Nikolay Datchev wrote:

No one.  You ask politely.   Either they will cooperate or not.  I believe
that is the basis of the Internet.  :-)

-Hank

> Who will give us the right to ask people to change their working configs ?
>
> -- Nikolay Datchev
>
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Nikolay Datchev wrote:
> >
> >> I'm glad to know that i'm not the only one who does a
> >> show ip bgp regexp _6(4|5)..._ and does care of it.
> >
> > Much easier to scroll down to the bottom of:
> > http://bgp.potaroo.net/cidr/#Bogons
> >
> > Incidentally, I've been on IHUG now for over 2 months and about 1 email a
> > week.  Some cases are just very hard to crack.  I have now approached
> > their upstream - Asiatelecom.
> >
> >>
> >> So, this is lot of work, and let's abandon it... No. Lot of networks are
> >> taken over by another company, and lot of configurations are just
> >> "legacy". - the lazyness and the reason "it works, don't touch" are almost
> >> everywhere.  It's full in my country with such networks. Having a VALID
> >> reason to deaggregate is OK, i'm also doing this. But "avoiding
> >> blackholing" is not a valid reason.
> >>
> >> Of course, if you just email to someone and say "please, aggregate", most
> >> of people will think "yeah, right now..." and just ignore it. But if
> >> RIR-authorized person says "I'm from RIPE working group. I cannot see a
> >> valid reason to not aggregate these networks. Please aggregate, or give a
> >> valid reason to deaggregate, or some day you will suffer from peer
> >> pressure", it's a different case. Especially with LIR's.
> >
> > When I did it, Barry Greene and others volunteered their time to review
> > configs to help ISPs fix their leakages that they may not have known how
> > to do.  The problem is those that leak because they want to leak.
> >
> > To be successful, one has to not only notify the leaker but also be
> > prepared to help him/her with their Junos/IOS configs.
> >
> > Get 4-5 people willing to volunteer 5-10 hours per month and I'm on board.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Hank
> >
> >>
> >> -- Nikolay Datchev
> >>
> >> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Nikolay Datchev wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Been there.  Done that. See Oct 2002 NANOG presentation:
> >>> http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0302/cidr.html
> >>>
> >>> I currently have been attacking Bogon ASNs (AS64xxx) and have managed to
> >>> get almost all removed over a period of 4 months.  Tackling the prefix
> >>> deaggregators is a much larger task and would need 3-4 dedicated
> >>> volunteers in order to begin.  And one can always email to some unknown
> >>> whois contact.  Almost all are friendly and some will say 'sorry, I
> >>> deaggregate for the following reason..." and not much can be done to
> >>> change their minds.
> >>>
> >>> -Hank
> >>>
> >>>> Hello group,
> >>>>
> >>>> I want to raise up again the question about world BGP routing table. I
> >>>> don't know what is the result after last discussion (Oct.2005), but maybe
> >>>> peer pressure is not the only way to follow regarding the solution. What a
> >>>> big transit provider can do about customers of it's customer, which
> >>>> politics is "i pay, so i want to do what i want with my AS/prefixes"? I
> >>>> know network administrator, who says "I advertise all my networks as /24's
> >>>> (few /19's...), just because i don't want somebody else to be able to
> >>>> advertise them as more specifics and blackhole me - this is our security
> >>>> policy". There are others, whit PA space, not multihomed, but with own AS
> >>>> number, advertising specific networks just because "it's cool to use my AS
> >>>> number". Or even worse - the combination of the two mentioned above.
> >>>> Also, there are administrators who don't know about aggregating - "I got
> >>>> my 8 class C networks from my LIR, and i advertise them one by one".
> >>>>
> >>>> We have tools like CIDR-repors. Think about this scenario: volunteers
> >>>> spending few hours per week and catching such networks, contacting via
> >>>> email the network administrators, and ask them to aggregate. I have
> >>>> success with this, but only for administrators that i know personally.
> >>>> But i feel inconvenience to contact other people and to say them "Why you
> >>>> don't aggregate your networks? Help for stopping routing table growth!"
> >>>> It sounds sluggish, but it's more than nothing.
> >>>>
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