Draft Minutes from RIPE 46

James Aldridge wrote:
> Attached is a first draft of the minutes of the two Routing WG sessions at 
> RIPE 46 last week.  Please let me have any corrections, additions, etc.

Somethine seemed to go wrong with the formatting of that version.  Including a
new version in-line...

James


			* * *   D R A F T   * * * 

Minutes of the Routing Working Group held at RIPE 46, Amsterdam, 
Tuesday, 2nd & Wednesday, 3rd September 2003

Session 1:

 * Administrativia 
    (Joao Damas)

	Chair: 			Joao Damas
	Scribe: 		James Aldridge, RIPE NCC
	Minutes from R45:	Circulated a few days ago;
				no comments -> approved!
	Actions from R45:	None
	

 * RPSLng Update 
   (Joao Damas)

	- New draft (draft-blunk-rpslng-01.txt); includes input from previous
	  discussions.  Last Call went out last week.  Next stage, if
	  approved, is to ask IESG to move this document to "Proposed
	  Standard".

 * Bidirectional Forwarding Detector
   (Dave Ward, Cisco)

    	BFD: Bidirectional Forwarding Detection
	Dave Katz, Juniper; Dave Ward, Cisco
	"Forwarding Plane Failover Detection"

	Internet Drafts:
		draft-katz-ward-bfd-01.txt
		draft-katz-ward-bfd-v4v6-1hop-00.txt

	Email list:
		rtg-bfd at ietf.org

	Questions:

	"What's vendor response like?"  Very good; under pressure to get this
	implemented quickly.  Cisco, Juniper + some switch vendors working on
	it!

	"If running over unencrypted tunnels, does discriminator give enough
	info to demux and authenticate packet?"  No; can be spoofed!.
	

 * Geographical aggregation for multihoming in IPv6
   (Iljitsch van Beijnum)

		http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-46/presentations/
			ripe46-routing-geo-aggregation.pdf

	(update since RIPE-44 & Vienna IETF)

	- proposed interim solution for IPv6 multihoming
	- provider internal

	Questions:

	"Address allocations per ISP?"  No; allocated globally.


Session 2:

 * RIS Update
   (Matthew Williams, RIPE NCC)

		http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-46/presentations/
			ripe46-routing-ris.pdf

	Questions:

	"myASn: exact match only or more specific too?"  More specific too
	(with exception capabilities in beta version).

	"myASn: just 'my' ASn or 'somebody else's' ASn too?"  Any AS.

 * Verification of Zebra as a BGP Measurement Instrument
   (Hong Wei Kong; presented by Lance Tatman, Agilent Labs)

		http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-46/presentations/
			ripe46-routing-zebra-bgp.pdf

    	Hong Wei Kong <hong-wei_kong at agilent.com>
	
	Questions:

	"When will 'recording tool' be ready?"  At least 6 months until
	beta...
	
	"Will 'recording tool' allow playback?" (feature request)
	
	"What outstanding Zebra bugs?" Zebra should separate receiving and
	dumping threads; general structural problem within Zebra.

	Feedback required on demand for a route recorder.

 * Comparative analysis of BGP update metrics
   (Alex Tudor, Agilent Labs)

		http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-46/presentations/
			ripe46-routing-bgp-metrics.pdf

	Overview of math on OHP:
	- Quantile-quantile plots
	- Cross-correlation

	No questions following presentation
		
 * The Netlantis Project 
   (Pascal Gloor, Philippe Bourcier)

	http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-46/presentations/
		ripe46-routing-netlantis.pdf

	"real-time" only, no historical data


 * Any Other Business

	Question to the Routing WG from MCI regarding routing setups.  In
	particular, as a global ISP using data from the RIPE database and
	other registries.

	- Inconsistant info in different registries
	- Can't determine which is correct
	- What to tell customers - where to store data
	- US data in European database?
	- Auto-generated router setups
	- What is the position of RIPE / other areas

	Shane Kerr, RIPE NCC: RIPE Routing Registry has no geographical
	restrictions but provides authentication for local assignments only.
	RIPE NCC can't require registration; only provides the tool.
	Suggest RIPE document on how to use routing registry.

	Routing Registry Consistency Checking (RRCC) - live bgp data (from RIS
	project) compared against routing registry - 40% of RR objects not
	announced.  Tools to show those route objects so users can delete
	them.

	Is anyone using auto-generated config from the routing registry
	without manual checking?  Input requested from wg.