[ripe.net #102454] [henk at ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX]
Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC) henk at ripe.net
Mon Aug 16 21:03:05 CEST 2004
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Matthew Williams wrote: > > I do not think it would cause confusion. Anyway, when we do > > the changes, we > > should tell our users rrc08 is moved to PAIX because of not > > enough peers at > > MAE-West. > > What about if they _don't_ get the message? Please, Arife... Forget > about the dbase naming schema. I agree: 08 is the collection point MAE-West, 14 will be the collection point at PAIX. They have nothing to do with eachother. Last time I checked, we still had enough integers to rename a machine. Henk > > If I download raw data from repository for rrc08, it should only contain > data from peers at Mae-West. Nothing else. Anything else would be > confusing to the user, who isn't going to keep track of when rrc08 was > moved to another location. So we decommision rrc08 (only the name, not > hw) at the Mae-West, move the hw to Paix as rrcwhatever. Now the user > only needs to know that rrc08 data is from peers at the Mae-West, and > rrcwhatever from peers at Paix. The hardware is the same, but the > _purpose_ of the hw is completely different. Renaming the box makes that > _very_ clear to the user. > > Ask James when he gets back from hols. I'm sure he'll agree :) > > Cheers, > Matthew > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > > Sent: 16 August 2004 19:06 > > To: Matthew Williams > > Cc: ops at ripe.net; ris-int at ripe.net; 'James Aldridge'; 'Bruce Campbell' > > Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk at ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] > > Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I don't see your point. This case is exactly the > > same as with > > > rrc09: > > > > > > Based on the principle that an integer relates to a particular > > > collection point irrespective of hardware, then keeping the same > > > number doesn't make sense, and might even cause confusion among RIS > > > users. > > > > I do not think it would cause confusion. Anyway, when we do > > the changes, we > > should tell our users rrc08 is moved to PAIX because of not > > enough peers at > > MAE-West. > > > > > > > > At first _I_ didn't agree, but Rene and Lorenzo managed to > > convince me > > > that they were right ;) > > > > > > > :-) > > > > I think I should chat with Rene, and Lorenzo to get some tips > > to convince you :-) > > > > Arife > > > > > Cheers, > > > Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > > > > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > > > > Sent: 16 August 2004 17:37 > > > > To: Matthew Williams > > > > Cc: ops at ripe.net; ris-int at ripe.net; 'James Aldridge'; > > 'Bruce Campbell' > > > > Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk at ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] > > > > Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we had this discussion before re: rrc09, and then > > > > we came to a > > > > > different conclusion. At least, we should be consequent > > in order > > > > > to > > > > > cause minimal confusion. What changed? > > > > > > > > rrc09 was bit different than rrc08. rrc09 did not have > > DB, rrc08 has > > > > and I like to continue to use the same DB when it moves > > to PAIX. And > > > > purpose of rrc08 was getting the view from West Coast and we > > > > will be available still at the West Coast. I do not think > > > > it's useful to split rawdata just because we will change IX > > > > at the same area. > > > > > > > > Arife > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Process and Procedure are the last hiding place of people without the wit and wisdom to do their job properly. (David Brent).
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