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This is an important principle for us, and I hope it will further encourage our staff to engage freely and frequently when appropriate with the rest of the community.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">The second principle, noting that staff should take care to disclose their positions when discussing matters relating to community guidance to the RIPE NCC, is also one that we are fully committed to.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Niall rightly notes that we are planning to review our internal guidelines on staff interaction with the community. I will invite all staff to join me in discussing how we can best interact with the community for its benefit and the benefit of our staff. The Works Council will also play an important role in this process. In the meantime, we published our internal code of conduct[1], section 9 of which contains guidelines on staff engagement externally, and we will adhere to this until we have completed our internal review. I will come back to the community with the outcome of that review.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Finally, I wish to thank the RIPE Chair Team for their work on this RIPE Document, and especially Niall who steered it through the community process.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">I sincerely look forward to our continued engagement together as a community.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Hans Petter Holen<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">RIPE NCC Managing Director, CEO<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">[1] https://www.ripe.net/about-us/staff/ripe-ncc-code-of-conduct.pdf<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></p> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">On 4 Oct 2023, at 15:39, Niall O'Reilly <niall.oreilly@ucd.ie> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I am glad to declare RIPE community consensus on draft v2 [<a href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-documents/other-documents/ripe-ncc-staff-participation-in-the-ripe-community-draft-v2"><span style="color:#3983C4">1</span></a>] of the<br> document on RIPE NCC staff participation in RIPE.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I expect that the text of this draft will be published as a RIPE<br> document in the near future, after final editing to add<br> acknowledgements, check spelling and terminology, and make whatever<br> other minor changes may be needed to prepare it for release.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I should like to add a few remarks.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Last call on this draft was re-opened on 21 July 2023 [<a href="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-list/2023-July/002967.html"><span style="color:#3983C4">2</span></a>], and closed<br> on 4 September 2023.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">During this second last-call period, there were a number of expressions<br> of support, and none of objection, to the two principles enunciated in<br> this draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In addition, on 2 August 2023, Andy Davidson maintained [<a href="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-list/2023-August/002984.html"><span style="color:#3983C4">3</span></a>],<o:p></o:p></span></p> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #777777 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt"> <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#777777">As a responsible community, it is incumbent upon us to safeguard NCC<br> staff from potential conflicts of interest by defining clear<br> protocols for how such situations are considered and managed when<br> NCC staff participate in RIPE activities with activity plans,<br> budgets, or hiring decisions.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </blockquote> <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">He also asked,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #777777 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt"> <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#777777">Can this be captured in the lovely<br> succinct way that you have approached the first two drafts?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </blockquote> <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">At the time, I replied that I hoped so.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On reflection, I believe that the initiative for addressing Andy's<br> concerns is best left to RIPE NCC management and staff.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Pragmatically, they have well-established internal mechanisms which<br> would likely not run more smoothly if the community were to try to<br> orchestrate them. Diplomatically, the community should avoid<br> telling NCC management and staff what is good for them.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Moreover, I have been made aware that the RIPE NCC is planning to<br> review its internal guidelines on staff interaction with the<br> community, and needs to know the consensus of the community in order<br> to inform that review.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">For all these reasons, I believe it is appropriate to declare<br> consensus on this document now, rather than to attempt improving it<br> further.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Finally, I wish to thank everyone who has participated in discussing<br> this draft and its predecessor.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Niall O'Reilly<br> RIPE Vice-Chair<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-left:36.0pt;text-align:center"> <span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> <hr size="0" width="100%" align="center"> </span></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>