<div><div dir="auto">I can’t believe I agree with Jordi in this one (and I hope I am not violating the CoC by saying this)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But… HPH with a whole RIPE NCC communications team couldn’t miss interpret the CoC, right? They even went as far as to quote the articles the e-mail violates… <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)">So, if the CoC’s interpretation of Denis’ e-mail says he is violating a few articles, then we definitely have the wrong CoC or the wrong interpretation.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div><div dir="auto">What I don’t understand is the first sentence in HPH’s e-mail. Had Denis been a regular community member (no wg chair hats), would the message have been different or just private? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Elvis</div></div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 02:03 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list <<a href="mailto:ripe-list@ripe.net" target="_blank">ripe-list@ripe.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">Totally agree with what others have said: I don't think Denis email had anything wrong.<br>
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Each person has a different way to say things. Language and expressions may look a bit in the limit sometimes, especially when the reader is not native speaker (or even worst, when you aren't English native speaker and you write in English), but I can't find anything wrong in that specific message.<br>
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This brings us to another big problem:<br>
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* if the CoC can be interpreted in such way, we have the wrong CoC * and that's really dangerous, because it means that the one who judges the CoC can become a dictator.<br>
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(just to make sure I'm on the safe side and not being accused myself about breking the CoC: I'm not accusing anyone here, just expressing what a wrong CoC can mean)<br>
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Regards,<br>
Jordi<br>
@jordipalet<br>
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El 1/2/22 10:32, "ripe-list en nombre de Carlos Friaças via ripe-list" <<a href="mailto:ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net</a> en nombre de <a href="mailto:ripe-list@ripe.net" target="_blank">ripe-list@ripe.net</a>> escribió:<br>
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+1.<br>
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I honestly didn't read Denis' lenghty e-mail until i read HPH's message, <br>
and thought "oh i really need to go back and read that" :-)<br>
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Regards,<br>
Carlos<br>
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2022, Hank Nussbacher wrote:<br>
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> I too agree with Denis and Gert but there is no need to accept blame. Denis <br>
> is not accusing anyone. If anything, we are all to blame for not being as <br>
> diligent as Denis. Denis has even suggested a way forward:<br>
><br>
> "it will benefit the RIPE NCC to employ someone qualified or experienced in <br>
> contract law to review and re-write all the NCC's contracts and agreements so <br>
> they actually say what they were intended to mean."<br>
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> Regards,<br>
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> Hank-- <br>
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