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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Hank,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I agree with those points, we had similar discussions in other RIRs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Not being a lawyer, I believe that instead of “copyright”, we should use “intellectual property”, as copyright is one form of presenting that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Regarding the law violation. It is not clear how that should be formulated, because, it is impossible that everyone knows the law of Netherlands and it may be even in simple things very different from your own country. In fact, if that happens, it will be a legal issue, which is always on top of any code of conduct that we want to set.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I understand that most of the CoC aspects, could be considered against law in many countries, and we want to make them “explicit”. However, for that specific point I’ve “confronted sentiments”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>In my opinion, if something violating law is posted which is not clearly described in all the other points of the CoC, it is up to the Dutch LEA/courts to decide and it is up to RIPE NCC to inform them about “their feeling that it may be the case”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Let me go a bit further: This is also relevant to the email archives. They should reflect all what happens in the list, like a meeting recording, minutes, etc., uncensored. Deleting from email archives something that could be a law violation should be only done if the law ask for it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 20/4/21 7:30, "ripe-list en nombre de Hank Nussbacher" <<a href="mailto:ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net">ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net</a> en nombre de <a href="mailto:hank@efes.iucc.ac.il">hank@efes.iucc.ac.il</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 19/04/2021 20:12, Randy Bush wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>The RIPE NCC regularly organizes events for communities which are<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>distinct from RIPE. When preparing for such an event, the RIPE NCC<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>will ascertain whether the respective community has adopted the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>RIPE Code of Conduct and, if not, also ascertain which Code must<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>be applied.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>my naïve view is that, if the ncc is an organiser, then the coc MUST<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>apply. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>if i am asked to be on (or chair) a panel which has no under-represented<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>folk, i decline, making the reason very clear.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>randy<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Reviewing the CoC I have noticed a few items that maybe need to be included (not sure):<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>- violating someones copyright or trademark<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>- distributing malware with the intention of infecting participants<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>- reposting private emails without the express permission of the sender<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>- posting something that would violate the law in the Netherlands<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>- posting commercial/advertisement content<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Probably each is open to debate.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hank<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Caveat: The views expressed above are solely my own and do not express the views or opinions of my employer <o:p></o:p></p></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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