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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Hi Leo & TF members, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I’ve been reading up on the CoC and the status of it as of today.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">In the document, there is no mention of unwanted behaviour / attention that could be classified as stalking.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Under the section: aggressive communication, there are several examples of what would be seen as inappropriate behaviour..
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">However, “classic” stalking (online or in person) is something that I miss here.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Please take this feedback into account before the final version is published.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Erik Bais <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">ripe-list <ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Leo Vegoda <leo@vegoda.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday 29 March 2021 at 10:32<br>
<b>To: </b>"ripe-list@ripe.net" <ripe-list@ripe.net><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"diversity@ripe.net" <diversity@ripe.net><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [ripe-list] Updated Draft RIPE Code of Conduct Published for Community Review<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear RIPE Community, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'd like to thank everyone who has already commented on this draft update to the Code of Conduct so far. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I have been keeping track of the comments so the TF has a good idea of what changes we need to make to the draft. I've tabulated them below and it would be good if people could let me know if I have misunderstood
what they meant. Also, some people have commented but not stated if they support the daft as is, or would support the draft with a minor change. I've placed a question mark next to names where I'm not sure what a person's position is. It would be great if
you could clarify your position.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Many thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Leo Vegoda<br>
On behalf of the RIPE Code of Conduct TF<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Add: acknowledgments of earlier work done by others when presenting new work</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Add: thanking people for their contribution as an example of positive behaviour</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Comment: RIPE NCC might want to incorporate the CoC into contracts with venues </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Keep the CoC tight</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Add: definition of the CoC Team</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Add: call to action</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Nit: Add date and authors</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Nit: Change “for more than quarter of a century” to “since 1989”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Nit: make the URL
<a href="http://ripe.net/coc">ripe.net/coc</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Nit: Rename "Behaviour" title to "Inclusive Behaviour" or another alternative</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Nit: "people protected" -> remove bullet points, make it a CSV line of text</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Focus more on principles and make it even clearer that the lists are examples and not comprehensive</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Do not give the PC a special role </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Nit: Change “national laws” to “laws”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Nit: ONly talk about roles and organisations in the community in general terms</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Stated that the obligation to report crimes is very limited</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Nit: Number all sections</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Rationale must balance inclusivity against freedom of speech and cultural differences</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Include all ways of communicating over the Internet</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Does not understand why the PC needs to be consulted</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Does contracted workers include subcontractors?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Wants the RIPE NCC staff to always intermediate if a report is made to the police and understands that there could be liability if people know of an incident
and do not report it</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Add protection for those who do not speak English as a first language</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Does not think "calling people names" is clear for non-native speakers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Rephrase “Deliberately outing private details about someone without their consent”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Rephrase “Pushing someone to drink or take drugs”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Add a prohibition against spam</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Forbid using language a non-native speaker might misunderstand</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Similarly, the CoC Team should accommodate cultural differences</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Wants the process in the same document</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Question about how the team would determine if an act should be reported to the police and a preference for that to be controlled by the subject of the act</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Supports Sasha on police report issue</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Supports Sasha on police report issue</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Trusted Contacts training gave him the understanding that there is no obligation to make police reports. Trusted Contacts are confidential contacts</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Confidentiality and control are important in helping people have the confidence to make a report</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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