<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1>Hi Niall,<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>When I sent the 1st version of the proposal, with the arbiters, the discussion with the PO brought that issue.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>I removed it from the policy proposal text, but I still believe that it could be possible that the RIPE community accepts the same group of people (arbiters) even if they are chosen by the RIPE NCC board.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>It is a matter of small modifications in the relevant documents and asking the existing arbiters (or chosen in the future) if they are also happy or not to be chosen in the appeal panel.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><div>I mean, no need to serve as an arbiter for the RIPE NCC and be obligated to serve as an appeal panel member, and no harm is done to the existing arbiters panel.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Regards,<o:p></o:p>Jordi<o:p></o:p>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p></div><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><div><div>El 9/2/21 14:58, "ripe-list en nombre de Niall O'Reilly" <<a href="mailto:ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net">ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net</a> en nombre de <a href="mailto:niall.oreilly@ucd.ie">niall.oreilly@ucd.ie</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div>Andy, everybody,<o:p></o:p>On 7 Feb 2021, at 21:53, Andy Davidson wrote:<o:p></o:p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #777777 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt'>On 7 Feb 2021, at 13:05, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list <a href="mailto:ripe-list@ripe.net">ripe-list@ripe.net</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #999999 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt'>("Ensure Neutrality of PDP Appeals Procedure”)<o:p></o:p></blockquote>Hi, Jordi, all<o:p></o:p>On your policy proposal: Is this something the Arbiters [0] could do well?<o:p></o:p>Andy<o:p></o:p>[0] <a href="http://ripe.net/about-us/legal/arbitration/list-of-arbiters">http://ripe.net/about-us/legal/arbitration/list-of-arbiters</a><o:p></o:p></blockquote>I am certain that the Arbiters could do this well. Formally there currently seem to be certain obstacles.<o:p></o:p><![if !supportLists]>1. <![endif]>The Arbiters are appointed by the RIPE NCC Executive Board.<o:p></o:p><![if !supportLists]>2. <![endif]>The mandate which the current Arbiters have accepted does not include a role in the Appeals Procedure of the RIPE PDP.<o:p></o:p>The RIPE Chair Team considers the first of these a sensitive point, in view of <a href="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-list/2020-May/001818.html">discussion</a> on the RIPE List last May, which I am sure that many of you will recall.<o:p></o:p>Recent advice from the RIPE NCC cites <a href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-691">ripe-691</a>:<o:p></o:p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #777777 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt'>"The arbitration procedure is available for the settlement of disputes and for the evaluation of requests for Internet number resources by the RIPE NCC."<o:p></o:p>and more specifically:<o:p></o:p>"The arbiters are responsible for the settlement of disputes:<o:p></o:p>Between Members and the RIPE NCC regarding decisions of the Executive Board or the Management Team with respect to the RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement, including RIPE NCC procedures and implementation of the RIPE Policies"<o:p></o:p></blockquote>In preparing a soon-to-appear RIPE document, I have learned that the idea of enlisting the Arbiters in the PDP Appeals Procedure was presented at RIPE44, but seems to have been abandoned by the time of RIPE55, when a full proposal for this procedure was presented, later to be published in ripe-428.<o:p></o:p>Best regards, Niall<o:p></o:p>—<o:p></o:p>References:<o:p></o:p>—<o:p></o:p></div></div></div> ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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