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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear members and RIPE NCC,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Although I can understand part of the
motivation for such a change in billing schedule, notifying us
with just ±45 days before sending the actual 1 year fee invoice is
<b>unacceptable</b>!</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I do understand and support any measure
to limit multiple LIRs, but companies plan such expenses in
advance.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><b>I do not support this tight schedule
on going to an annual billing plan for the LIRs who are old
enough and behave correctly. Even if you come in January and
provide a transition plan, it should allow us at least 6-12
months before transitioning. Also I think that the invoicing on
a annual billing plan should be done in the second half of the
year. This way things would be fair, as we are charging our
customers after we provide the service and not before. </b><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Such a decision should have been taken
through a voting process not like this through an email on 21th of
December before Christmas. Is this the gift Santa left us with
you?<br>
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<p>I also feel angry on RIPE NCC management, as it seems that no
real decisions (like this one) are being taken democratically
through voting, and just unessential issues are proposed for
voting at GM.</p>
<p>Also I don't understand how you can complain about late payments
as the base of LIR's is continually expanding and your expenses
are kind of linear. Another argument I can provide you is that you
redistribute excess contribution yearly, meaning this excess
payments we make are cash flow for you. <br>
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<p>As you are keeping some extra money you don't need (as RIPE is a
non-profit organization) you should not complain so much on this
late payments issue.</p>
<p>You already have part of our annual fee from the last year
payments.<br>
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<p>With respect and gratitude,<br>
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On 12/21/18 22:16, Patrick Velder wrote:<br>
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<p>It's another step to prevent people opening multiple LIRs.</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21.12.18 15:55, Dominic Schallert
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Dear all,
<div class="">while I appreciate the efforts in reducing
accounting complexity</div>
<div class="">and organizational overhead at RIPE NCC, I’m not
sure if this step</div>
<div class="">of removing the possiblity for quarterly and
half-yearly payment is</div>
<div class="">beneficial looking at the vast amount of smaller,
single-account LIRs. </div>
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<div class="">Just my opinion.</div>
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<div class="">Kind regards,</div>
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<div class="">Am 21.12.2018 um 15:34 schrieb Gwen van
Berne <<a href="mailto:gvanberne@ripe.net" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">gvanberne@ripe.net</a>>:</div>
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<div class="">Dear RIPE NCC members,<br class="">
<br class="">
We would like to notify you about changes to our
billing processes that<br class="">
will come into effect for 2019. Invoicing will take
place one month<br class="">
later than usual on 18 February 2019 to ensure you
have time to plan for<br class="">
the changes listed below.<br class="">
<br class="">
1. Move to annual billing schedule only<br class="">
On 13 December, the RIPE NCC Executive Board resolved
to move the<br class="">
billing process for members to an annual scheme only.<br
class="">
<br class="">
This change to annual billing only is aimed at
reducing complexity for<br class="">
our members, eliminating repeated late payments and
reminders, and also<br class="">
bringing efficiencies to our processes. With the
increasing number of<br class="">
LIR accounts, the quarterly payments schedule has put
a heavy burden on<br class="">
our administration. This option also means that
members often have to be<br class="">
notified several times per year about late invoice
payments.<br class="">
<br class="">
For members with only one LIR account, we will design
a transition plan<br class="">
for those with cash flow limitations and who therefore
have difficulty<br class="">
meeting the payment schedule. We will provide details
about this in<br class="">
January 2019.<br class="">
<br class="">
2. No longer sending annual separate account
statements<br class="">
In line with our efforts to make our billing processes
more efficient<br class="">
and member-friendly, we will no longer send the annual
account statement<br class="">
to members separately from the invoice. This has
caused confusion in the<br class="">
past for members who are receiving financial
statements before the<br class="">
invoice is available to pay. The annual invoice will
include all<br class="">
charging details, including the membership
contribution and, when<br class="">
applicable, independent resources, legacy resources
and the<br class="">
redistribution from 2018. More details on the
calculation for the<br class="">
redistribution will be communicated in January 2019.<br
class="">
<br class="">
We will notify all billing contacts about the changes
to our billing<br class="">
processes.<br class="">
<br class="">
The full billing procedure for 2019 is available at:<br
class="">
<a
href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/ripe-ncc-billing-procedure-2019"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/ripe-ncc-billing-procedure-2019</a><br
class="">
<br class="">
There is a webpage that provides additional
information on our billing<br class="">
procedure and also gives further details that are
useful for members in<br class="">
Russia and Ukraine:<br class="">
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/ripe-ncc-billing-procedure-2019/information-on-billing-and-payment-2019"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/ripe-ncc-billing-procedure-2019/information-on-billing-and-payment-2019</a><br
class="">
<br class="">
We are confident that these changes will simplify the
billing process<br class="">
and we trust that you will support our efforts to
increase efficiencies<br class="">
at the RIPE NCC. If you have questions or you want to
request support<br class="">
from us, please contact <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:billing@ripe.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"><billing@ripe.net></a>.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Kind regards,<br class="">
<br class="">
Gwen van Berne<br class="">
Chief Financial Officer<br class="">
RIPE NCC<br class="">
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