<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">They can bill annually so long as payments can be made in instalments. <div><br></div><div>I think RIPE (being the behemoth that it is) misses the fact that most of us can only bill our clients monthly and as such pay most of our suppliers in a similar vein as we are after all not banks. </div><div><br></div><div>Had this been put to the members (and if it has, I apologise as I’ve not seen it) then I would most definitely have voted against. <br><br>Cash flow is king and tbh I would rather have it sitting in my bank account for as long as possible rather than RIPE’s</div><div><br></div><div>Now if RIPE is going to offer us a 25-35% discount on fees for moving to annual billing, then it might sweeten the pill, but I don’t see that happening (more than maybe as a once off) and frankly I think this not going to help reduce RIPE’s admin much at all. </div><div><br></div><div>If RIPE does need to look at cost savings then I’m sure there are some other projects internally which have cost millions of Euros that could be curtailed or shouldn’t have even been started, but impacting member cash flow is probably the last place to star not the first (imho)</div><div><br></div><div><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">– <div>Jon Morby</div><div>where those in the know go</div><div>Tel: 0345 004 3050</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br>On 21 Dec 2018, at 14:55, Dominic Schallert <<a href="mailto:ds@schallert.com">ds@schallert.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">Dear all,<div class="">while I appreciate the efforts in reducing accounting complexity</div><div class="">and organizational overhead at RIPE NCC, I’m not sure if this step</div><div class="">of removing the possiblity for quarterly and half-yearly payment is</div><div class="">beneficial looking at the vast amount of smaller, single-account LIRs. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Just my opinion.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kind regards,</div><div class="">Dominic</div><div class=""><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span><span><span><span><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">
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<div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Am 21.12.2018 um 15:34 schrieb Gwen van Berne <<a href="mailto:gvanberne@ripe.net" class="">gvanberne@ripe.net</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Dear RIPE NCC members,<br class=""><br class="">We would like to notify you about changes to our billing processes that<br class="">will come into effect for 2019. Invoicing will take place one month<br class="">later than usual on 18 February 2019 to ensure you have time to plan for<br class="">the changes listed below.<br class=""><br class="">1. Move to annual billing schedule only<br class="">On 13 December, the RIPE NCC Executive Board resolved to move the<br class="">billing process for members to an annual scheme only.<br class=""><br class="">This change to annual billing only is aimed at reducing complexity for<br class="">our members, eliminating repeated late payments and reminders, and also<br class="">bringing efficiencies to our processes. With the increasing number of<br class="">LIR accounts, the quarterly payments schedule has put a heavy burden on<br class="">our administration. This option also means that members often have to be<br class="">notified several times per year about late invoice payments.<br class=""><br class="">For members with only one LIR account, we will design a transition plan<br class="">for those with cash flow limitations and who therefore have difficulty<br class="">meeting the payment schedule. We will provide details about this in<br class="">January 2019.<br class=""><br class="">2. No longer sending annual separate account statements<br class="">In line with our efforts to make our billing processes more efficient<br class="">and member-friendly, we will no longer send the annual account statement<br class="">to members separately from the invoice. This has caused confusion in the<br class="">past for members who are receiving financial statements before the<br class="">invoice is available to pay. The annual invoice will include all<br class="">charging details, including the membership contribution and, when<br class="">applicable, independent resources, legacy resources and the<br class="">redistribution from 2018. More details on the calculation for the<br class="">redistribution will be communicated in January 2019.<br class=""><br class="">We will notify all billing contacts about the changes to our billing<br class="">processes.<br class=""><br class="">The full billing procedure for 2019 is available at:<br class=""><a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/ripe-ncc-billing-procedure-2019" class="">https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/ripe-ncc-billing-procedure-2019</a><br class=""><br class="">There is a webpage that provides additional information on our billing<br class="">procedure and also gives further details that are useful for members in<br class="">Russia and Ukraine:<br class=""><a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/ripe-ncc-billing-procedure-2019/information-on-billing-and-payment-2019">https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/ripe-ncc-billing-procedure-2019/information-on-billing-and-payment-2019</a><br class=""><br class="">We are confident that these changes will simplify the billing process<br class="">and we trust that you will support our efforts to increase efficiencies<br class="">at the RIPE NCC. If you have questions or you want to request support<br class="">from us, please contact <<a href="mailto:billing@ripe.net">billing@ripe.net</a>>.<br class=""><br class="">Kind regards,<br class=""><br class="">Gwen van Berne<br class="">Chief Financial Officer<br class="">RIPE NCC<br class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div></body></html>