[ripe-list] [ENOG discuss] Re: Sunsetting ENOG - sunsetting of RIPE?

Hi, all!

I would like to believe that this "freeze" in RIPE NCC' activities in
Russia is connected just with formal issues. And I want to believe that
RIPE NCC will try to unite its members (and members of RIPE community) in
different ways.
BTW,  as a co-host of linkmeup[1], I'm ready to provide slots in our
podcast and our off-line meetup in Moscow[2] to discuss any technical
topics relevant for ENOG meetings.

[1] - https://t.me/linkmeup_podcast
[2] - https://meetup.linkmeup.ru/

пн, 3 июл. 2023 г. в 20:51, Alexander Isavnin <isavnin at freemoscow.university
>:

> Dear Hisham!
>
> Thank you for the kind words to the ones, who contributed their time and
> effort to ENOG!
>
> Did i got right from your e-mail, that RIPE NCC is going to abandon it’s
> activities in Russia? No Internet Measurement Days or RIPE NCC days seen in
> forseeable meeting plans on the website.
> So called Baykal NOG you’ve mentioned is the sales-oriented commercial
> conference aka x-cos.ru, previously sponsored by SORM surviellance
> equipment producers.
>
> Abandoning technical community in one country (even insistently requested
> by some persons from other) could lead to abandoning in other countries,
> and then fading role of the whole technical community and sunsetting of
> RIPE.
>
> Kind regards,
> Alexander Isavnin
>
> Пн, 3 июля 2023 г. в 16:05, Hisham Ibrahim <hmi at ripe.net>:
>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> ENOG (Eurasian Network Operators' Group) was established in June 2011 as
>> a means to bring RIPE and the RIPE NCC closer to the local communities in
>> Eurasia and to support Internet development in the region.
>>
>> Last year, we indefinitely postponed what would have been the 19th ENOG
>> Meeting, slated to be held in Moscow. In the run up to that decision, we
>> heard from many community members, first at a Birds of a Feather (BoF)
>> session on the future of ENOG at ENOG 19 and subsequently during the BoF at
>> RIPE 85 in Belgrade and on the ENOG Discuss mailing list. I then shared an
>> email to the ENOG Discuss list, outlining the RIPE NCC’s view on the matter
>> [1].
>>
>> These dialogues highlighted the complexities involved in continuing
>> engagement efforts through ENOG and we appreciate the community’s
>> willingness to have difficult but much needed conversations. In light of
>> these discussions, we believe it is time to dissolve ENOG as a RIPE NCC
>> regional platform. It is in no one’s interest to continue to support a
>> platform that can no longer serve its purpose or deliver meaningful
>> outcomes. If, in the future, the community indicates that there is a
>> constructive role for ENOG to play, we will be open to this discussion.
>>
>> In practical terms, this means that we will archive the ENOG website and
>> sunset the mailing list as of 31 July 2023, after which it will be kept as
>> a read-only site. ENOG Meetings have already ceased to take place, and we
>> will not plan ENOG Meetings for the foreseeable future. We thank everyone
>> who has contributed their time and effort towards ENOG over the past decade.
>>
>> The RIPE NCC remains as committed as ever to supporting the technical
>> communities in our service region. Our focus going forward will be on more
>> localised efforts, whether this is training, workshops, providing staff to
>> speak at events or supporting NOGs.
>>
>> Since our decision to postpone ENOG 19, we have also hosted our first
>> Central Asia Peering and Interconnection Forum meeting in Kazakhstan last
>> year, and the second of these events will take place in Tashkent,
>> Uzbekistan from 19-20 September 2023 [2]. We will continue to host smaller
>> events such as RIPE NCC Days and Internet Measurement Days (IMD) in the
>> region that used to be covered by ENOG events, such as the IMD Kyrgyzstan
>> which took place recently. We’ve supported other events including the KZ
>> NOG, Baykal NOG, the Georgia NOG, the Kyrgyzstan IT Forum and the Central
>> Asia, Armenia, Georgia and Moldova Internet Governance Forums (IGFs). We
>> continue to engage with the Ukrainian Internet community through various
>> online initiatives and our staff in Ukraine.
>>
>> We encourage you to take a look at NOGs and other activities taking place
>> within the region [3].
>>
>> Please reach out to us if you have thoughts on how we can better support
>> the technical communities in your region.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hisham Ibrahim
>> Chief Community Officer
>> RIPE NCC
>>
>> [1] A request to terminate ENOG:
>> https://enog-apps-2.ripe.net/hyperkitty/list/discuss@enog.org/thread/3AJSUFXVRDOVI764J2OTUSMHODXHYQT3/
>>
>> [2] CAPIF 2: Tashkent:
>> https://www.ripe.net/capif-2
>>
>> [3] Network Operator Groups:
>> https://labs.ripe.net/nogs/
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