[ripe-list] LIR and Member Agreements

Colleagues

Can we all take a deep breath and enjoy that cup of tea Nigel suggested.

I would like to thank people for their support, but also apologise if
I have caused a major incident. That was never my intention. I have
been a part of this community for a long time. Those of you who have
also been around for a while will know that I have an emotive style of
writing. I am naturally an emotional person. I have touched on this
issue before and no one really picked up on it. So I thought by
identifying the problems with one document it would show there is an
issue here to be sorted. Incidentally it didn't take me many hours, it
took me about 2 months. My concentration levels are not what they used
to be :)

My goal was to be positive in moving this matter forwards. The
problems I have identified can be easily fixed. These documents have
been written over a long period of time. Inconsistencies can build up.
It is now time for a review. Maybe that should be done by the legal
team who then report back to the mailing list or perhaps set up a Task
Force to work with the legal team to review the full set of policy and
procedure documents and make recommendations. At the end of the
exercise we will have a more solid foundation for this industry to
move forwards.

cheers
denis
co-chair DB-WG

On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 at 15:37, Sander Steffann <sander at steffann.nl> wrote:
>
> Hi Christian,
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> > First of all thanks a lot to Denis for all his work, I imagine it must have taken hours.
> > We, the board and the NCC will follow up on it and will not just have a look at the content itself but also look into how did we end up in this situation in the first place.
> > We will come back to the mailing list after the legal evaluation is conducted and also report on this at the next RIPE Meeting.
>
> Thank you, this is what I would like to see.
>
> > Regarding the CoC aspect of this emails, we the board did not read Hans Petters comments as shutting down the conversation or policing anyone and we would not have allowed that.
>
> Well, then you the board should read it again... Invoking the Code of Conduct when criticising the RIPE NCC is seen exactly as silencing. It also diminishes the value of the Code of Conduct and sets a horrendous precedent. This abuse of the CoC is EXACTLY what makes people afraid of adopting a CoC in the first place. This abuse of the CoC bij a managing director and then explicitly condoning that by the board damages all the hard work done by the community.
>
> The board should be ashamed of itself regarding this part of its response.
> Sander
>