[ripe-list] Russia

In message <0179b1838aa0431d812be7a7b40cf784 at yellowfox.net>, 
Peter Stimpel <peter at yellowfox.net> wrote:

>Wow, How I missed this "if you are not with us, you are against us" calls.

I gather that it is altogether easy to be both cavalier towards and
dismissive of any attempts to seriously discuss the topic of personal
ethical responsibilities in response to these world-changing events in
Eastern Europe, at least while the view is from your comfortable and no
doubt air-conditioned office in Kesselsdorf, far far from the actual
carnage.

>Seriously: you made your point, could you leave it at that, please. RIPE is
>the wrong playground for this in my opinion.

I say yet again, show me the European equivalent to the NANOG mailing lists
that we here in North America have and i will be only too happy to go there
and raise these issues.  I've checked here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_network_operators%27_group

and although there seems to be no shortage European country-specific network
operator groups (and associated mailing lists) I'm not seeing any pan-European
place where I could make my case to network operators throughout Europe.
(This, to me, is rather incomprehensible, especially given the number of
European networking companies that have connections in more than one European
country, but this is only one of the smaller points that mystify me about
the seemingly determined and deliberate dis-unity in Europe.)

>As far as I understand, RIPE
>should not use its resources to make political impact

And I have not suggested otherwise.  Just because I elected to raise the
issue of our _individual_ responses to the war in Ukraine here on ripe-list
doesn't not automatically imply that I either expect or even hope for any
formal response from RIPE itself.  I don't.  This just seems to be the one
and only mailing list in the entire universe where it might be possible
to communicate with a large number of individual European network operators.

>If your point was to reach out to people and make a statement pro Ukraine:
>got it, thanks for the reminder, end of communication.

My goal was to reach a maximal number of European network operators and to
put it to them all that they can and should join with the over 1,000 companies
on the following list and curtail their business relations with Russia:

https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/over-1000-companies-have-curtailed-operations-russia-some-remain

>There are plenty of
>communities and social networks, where private people can put effort into
>helping ukrainian people with the situation, or make (imo useless) "fckptn"
>statements. RIPE mailing list is no such place.

Thanks, but Facebook and Twitter are clearly not going to be effective venues
for reaching European network operators, specifically.  And if I have left
any doubt, let me be clear that this was and is my goal.  I'd like to ask
each and every one of you folks here who are decision makers and who run
European networks how well you can sleep, knowing that you continue to provide
connectivity to an aggressor nation, relentlessly bent on a 19th century style
war of territorial conquest in Eastern Europe, and whose government ruthlessly
annihilates any and all opposition, both within its own borders, and even, when
they need arises, on the streets of London.


Regards,
rfg