[ripe-list] protein over pablum

Dear Randy,

I think Leo has already responded to most of your points. I just want to
let you know that I am listening and that I am taking this seriously (we
definitely don't want people to feel uncomfortable to bring up content).
You are right that this is a bit of process-heavy time (with two task
forces, updating the PDP and other documentation). But don't worry this
won’t last forever.

Kind regards,
Mirjam


On 21/05/2021 19:20, Randy Bush wrote:
> < rant >
>
> [ trying to clarify what i meant at the mic; but probably just digging
>   a deeper hole ]
>
> i would not be up at 2am if i did not care about the CoC, DB, ...  like
> you, i think these things are important.  and the folk working on them
> are really good and nice and also care a lot (but i am already married).
> and they are working hard and really trying and usually succeeding in
> getting stuff done.
>
> so please tell us about it!  the content, not the form/process.  yes, i
> could join your mailing list, read your documents (i often do), ... but
> i have a life and two full-time jobs, and come to the plenary, WG, or
> whatever at 2am to get a high content summary.
>
> i stay up to 3am for content, not form.  we are becoming humorless and
> fear based.  i am thinking of making a generic Task Force Report slide
> deck, where it shows X meetings, Y consultations, Z surveys, and thanks
> for NCC support.  you just put the TF's name at the top, plug in X, Y,
> and Z, and it's done!
>
> because i *care* about the subject, i *really* want to learn of the
> interesting issues that were found and how they were resolved.  what
> issues remain?  what did the TF learn that was unexpected?  protein, not
> process.  i trust you for the process, and really doubt you can make it
> interesting to me at 2am.
>
> yes, 42 engineers will have opinions on these; and half those opinions
> will be um, questionable.  and some, such as this one, will be presented
> a bit roughly.  sorry.  welcome to a world filled with us funny monkeys.
> you did want input.  and you get the big bucks for filtering and using
> it.
>
> but talk is cheap.  how can i help TF folk to feel comfortable enough to
> put your content out?
>
> i just heard a svp of a massive net company ask their team and peers
> "what would you do if you were not afraid?"
>
> randy
>
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