[ripe-list] RIPE Working Group Chair Collective Meeting Summary

Greetings,


On Tue, 9 Feb 2021, Jim Reid wrote:

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>> On 9 Feb 2021, at 11:33, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list <ripe-list at ripe.net> wrote:
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>> it may seem that ARIN and RIPE have more active participation, but if you look at it as % of membership, we are actually "worst" than other RIRs!
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> RIPE != RIPE NCC. RIPE doesn?t have a membership. And it?s not an RIR.
>
> You?re right that participation levels are low but there is no practical way to improve that.

Yes, there is!

What about stopping to mock people that make their first comment?

Or stopping rants against people that join the lists because they are 
interested in supporting a specific policy change?



> If there was, it would have been done.

No, because that is not, unfortunately, in the best interest of several 
people!




> We can?t force people to post to the lists or come to meetings or submit 
> policy proposals.

I agree it's not the best timeframe to discuss "come to meetings", but i 
must note that "come to meetings" has a price tag. Luckly "come to 
meetings" is not a requeriment to participate in the PDP!

And about "submit policy proposals": when people see policies being shot 
down simply because _some_ people think all is marvellous (for their 
own best interest!) and the policies don't need _any_ change.
What's the motivation to try to improve something?



> This is a much, much wider problem in society. 
> Countries can?t even get enough of their citizens to vote in elections.

If people choose not to vote, they let others decide on their behalf.

At this point i worry a lot more about "electronic voting systems" that 
can twist voters' votes. -- just to be clear: i'm NOT talking about the 
system used by the RIPE NCC.




>> A few weeks ago, I was already considering to send a new policy proposal to make some other changes in the PDP. I will start working on that
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> I think you need to pause for a few months and then think *very* 
> carefully before proceeding Jordi.

This is a fine example of what i was writing above!

Is this some kind of warning or menace??!?!?!?



> You also need to pay attention to the advice that you appear to have 
> previously ignored: for instance the need for clear problem statements. 
> You seem to think you have given a clear problem statement(s). Nobody
> else does.


You also need to accept that what you think IS NOT a "clear problem 
statement" may be a very clear problem statement for others.

So please, don't speak on MY behalf, and let the PDP flow!



Regards,
Carlos