[ripe-list] a proposal to change the PDP

Hi Mirjam, all,

With all the respect "come on!".

1st clarification: I've not doubted about the work of the policy officer, I think I made clear that they did their job very well and I defended that it is important that they (and the relevant WG chairs) provide inputs since day one and it means that the published version of the proposal is cleaner, may already resolve some probably issues, etc., etc. I clearly stated that this is the way done in all the RIRs since many years ago.

2nd clarification: There is no lack of problem statement. In fact, the documents that you sent to the list DEMONSTRATE IT. You made observations about the lack of clarity in the self-recusation. My proposal not only resolves that, but also ensures that someone could be recused by the appellant, which is an obvious and very clear problem. And in addition to that, it is clear that having the same "group of people" (WGCC) being the Appeal Committee, instead of an independent set of people, IT IS A BIG PROBLEM.

3rd clarification: Even if it was true that there is not a clear problem statement, can you tell me what exact text of the PDP allows the chairs to delay or deny the publication of a proposal? Otherwise, I MUST sustain my point here, there is persistent violation of the PDP until my proposal is formally published.

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
 
 

El 9/2/21 12:06, "ripe-list en nombre de Mirjam Kuehne" <ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de mir at zu-hause.nl> escribió:


    Dear colleagues,

    Listening to the discussion and without going into detail about the
    proposal Jordi sent to the list, I would like to clarify a few things
    about the process.

    After Jordi sent his policy proposal to the RIPE NCC on 5 October 2020,
    the Policy Officer and the RIPE Chair Team worked extensively with the
    proposer on the content and language of the proposal. We specifically
    discussed the part of the proposal that referred to RIPE NCC bodies and
    suggested improvements to make the proposal more suitable for submission.

    During this process, the proposal went through a number of iterations,
    but we remained concerned about the lack of a clear problem statement.
    At the same time we felt it was not wise to propose a change to the very
    process we were reviewing. Therefore we suggested to defer the
    publication of the policy proposal until the review of the appeal has
    been finalised.

    After having looked more thoroughly at the Policy Development Process
    and the review of the appeal, the RIPE Chair communicated to the
    proposer on 1 December: “Therefore Niall and I believe that the RIPE
    Policy Development Process already adequately excludes participation in
    its appeal process by the people responsible for the decision under
    appeal. We may have missed something; if so, we would be glad to see a
    problem statement which makes this clear.”

    In the meantime we worked with all parties involved in the appeal on a
    review of the appeals process. That review has now been published as a
    draft document:
    https://www.ripe.net/publications/draft-and-discussion-files/review-of-the-ripe-appeals-procedure
    together with a thorough analysis of the evolution of the PDP:
    https://www.ripe.net/publications/draft-and-discussion-files/evolution-of-the-ripe-policy-development-process

    We are currently working with the RIPE NCC to have both documents
    published as RIPE documents. As soon as that is done, we would like to
    have a community-wide discussion about the recommendations made in these
    documents.

    I would like to stress that the RIPE NCC Policy Officer followed the
    process very diligently. She provided excellent support to the proposer
    and the RIPE Chair Team and cannot be blamed in any way for delaying the
    publication of the proposal. Also, at no time was the RIPE NCC trying to
    influence the RIPE policy process.

    Kind Regards,
    Mirjam Kühne
    RIPE Chair








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