[ripe-list] The NomCom Requests your Support

Hi,

I am certain that I didn't put words in your mouth, I quoted your words and said that this was a fabulous way forward.  Let's implement!

Andy



On 27/05/2020, 16:25, "Brian Nisbet" <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie> wrote:

    Andy,

    I agree that things can be improved, but that's an improvement, I don't think that things are terribly broken, nor that changing things for this iteration will improve the situation that the Community is in, with a great need for a Chair and Vice-Chair appointed via the Community agreed consensus.

    I'm slightly surprised by the use of debating tricks in your email, to be honest. 

    These are not my suggestions, these are points that I note can be improved when we review the process, based on what we have learned from this iteration. I'm agreeing that Nick has raised some useful points, because I tend to find he does, but please don't put words in my mouth.

    Thanks,

    Brian

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    Hi, Brian

    Brian wrote:
    > I think it's clear that, in future the involvement of NCC staff in
    > the NomCom (other than agreed secretariat roles) should be
    > severely limited
    [...]
    >  and there should be consideration given to limits or grace
    > periods or the like where someone has been working for the
    > NCC or on the Exec Board.

    It turns out that you actually agree with the points that Nick and I have made, so thank you for clarifying.

    It seems that where we disagree is whether we should start that for this appointment or for the next.

    If governance is improved by seeing the Community and NCC separation in the work of our committees then let's have that improvement for THIS selection.  We can ensure this quickly (without even delaying the chair appointment) by altering the constitution of those committees today - to reflect YOUR suggestion of severely limited involvement of NCC staffers in this process, and YOUR suggestion of a grace period - by those impacted by the limits and grace period withdrawing themselves.

    [ Not withdrawing from the community, where their work is valued and welcomed, but from the nomination committee for this important leadership role. ]

    Andy