[ripe-list] CoC and the PDP

hi daniel,

> Of course I am flattered by your trust in the RIPE community.

don't take it too personally :)

> I am worried about just the abuse that you mention in the IETF
> context.  I see the RIPE community changing and I remain concerned
> about abuse in the future. Yes we need to evolve our CoC *** with the
> appropriate checks and balances against abuse ***.

way back when, i was banned from the nanog list, likely for some kind of
snark.  the poolpah which followed drove nanog from merit management to
a steering committee of an independent organisation.  so your argument
has my sympathy for sure, even without the ietf turning authoritarian.

but, though i can not walk in the shoes of those who the coc is intended
to protect, i have seen things i would rather not have, and the stories
seem widespread, disgusting, and enraging.

> The violent reactions I get when I say this are worrisome and they
> hurt!

well, the level of discourse has tended to the strident.  my assumption
is that it [ partially ] stems from frustration.  i hope that progress
should help ameliorate this.

when i warned of the weaponisation of the coc in the ietf, it was meant
as a hint.  but, imiho, in both cultures, the danger lies in the
definitions and judging of bad behavior, not so much that ostracism is
the punishment.  and how do we clarify behavior without going down a
rathole of complexity?

we need to strongly defend against sexual, religious, ... harassment.  i
assume there is no disagreement on this.

but the ietf wants to criminalize snark on a mailing list.  how does the
ripe community reasonably and simply deal with the harrassment without
succumbing to the disease of behavior fascism?

randy