[ripe-list] Follow up on the Dubai AGM - RIPE WG Chair meeting vouchers

Eric, Jordi,

I'm honestly not a fan, speaking of course purely for myself, of this
proposal.

Job, Jim and others have already covered a lot of the reasons why not.
Yes, I'm fortunate that my company is willing to pay the meeting
registration fee, but for a five day event I still think it's amazing value.

I think it would unquestionably change the nature of the event and the
perception of the WG Chairs (and PC) if the fees were to be waived. It
wouldn't be some terrible disaster, but it would bring about a change,
both in external and internal perception. It would be a slow change,
sure, but it would be there.

I have no objection to the NCC Membership funding the staff and the Exec
Board or the various programmes such as RACI or the RIPE fellows. These
are all very clear cut for me. But all of us who volunteer as WG Chairs
or PC Members are just that, volunteers. We put our hand up knowing the
requirements.

One might hope that an incentive such as is being proposed wouldn't
encourage people to step forward because of it, but I don't believe that
is true. I would prefer if WGs continued to select (not elect!) the
Chairs knowing, insofar as possible, that they wished to serve the
community rather than having any other motivations.

Again, I speak for myself here, not for any other member of the Chairs
Collective or the PC. I'm sure there are members of both groups who
might agree (and that is up to them, of course).

With my member hat on, if we're going to spend more money on RIPE
Meetings (and I believe they are some of the most important things the
NCC spends money on!), then I can think of better things to spend it on
than this, such as increasing the RIPE Fellowship Programme.

Thanks,

Brian

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On 19/01/2018 15:34, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list wrote:
> Hi Ole,
> 
> Just for info of the list, I've responded this morning in a private email something related to this (copying here only partially my own response).
> 
> "... I also know that not every RIR has WGs, but they have equivalent structures (eg, Advisory Council for ARIN), and that sometimes the conferences are tied to other organizations, etc. At the end, all that doesn't really matter, because I'm not trying a one-to-one comparison, just providing references of "very-close-species".
> 
> APNIC and LACNIC do that, even pay for traveling expenses.
> 
> In LACNIC, this is true even for speakers that may obtain a grant for the traveling expenses, if they apply and it is justified.
> 
> Somebody in the list could confirm for AfriNIC and ARIN, if we want to have the 5 RIRs picture, I know people there, so I'm happy to ask them directly if needed.
> 
> Even if RIPE co-chairs could apply in a case-by-case basis for special waiver or grants, it is obvious that if you have a specific personal situation, you may not want/like to disclose it, and even worse, I think "special" rules are always bad things, very subjective and I prefer rules that are always objective and the same for same "groups" (like co-chairs or PC "group"), and I don't think that can be understood as a "segregation", because that group is elected by the community and everybody can make merits so he is considered by the community for being part of that group if he wants to invest the additional time/effort being part of that."
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Jordi
> 
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: ripe-list <ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net> en nombre de Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen at me.com>
> Responder a: Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen at me.com>
> Fecha: viernes, 19 de enero de 2018, 16:27
> Para: Lu Heng <h.lu at laruscloudservice.net>
> CC: Sander Steffann <sander at steffann.nl>, RIPE List <ripe-list at ripe.net>
> Asunto: Re: [ripe-list] Follow up on the Dubai AGM - RIPE WG Chair meeting vouchers
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>     On Thu, 18 Jan 2018, Lu Heng wrote:
>     
>     > Hi
>     > 
>     > APNIC since few meetings cover all expense for the chair(hotel flight etc),
>     > so free meeting ticket seems quite reasonable.
>     >
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>     Lu,
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>     APNIC doesn't have WGs, they have SIGs, but I guess the SIGs are 
>     "morale equivalents" in this context. 
>     
>     Are you sure the SIG chairs at APNIC have all their expenses covered?
>     That's news to me. Perhaps you are referring to the APNIC EC chair?
>     
>     Ole
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