[ripe-list] Follow up on the Dubai AGM - RIPE WG Chair meeting vouchers

Hi Job,

Below, in-line.

Regards,
Jordi

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De: ripe-list <ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net> en nombre de Job Snijders <job at instituut.net>
Fecha: jueves, 18 de enero de 2018, 21:01
Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
CC: RIPE List <ripe-list at ripe.net>
Asunto: Re: [ripe-list] Follow up on the Dubai AGM - RIPE WG Chair meeting vouchers

    On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 08:41:12PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list wrote:
    > To make this clear … I also see another aspect.
    > 
    > I’m not sure if this is the case for actual co-chair, and of course,
    > they may not want to comment in the list and we should respect that,
    > but I recall some cases some time ago.
    
    Do you suspect there is a systemic issue that folks can't afford to
    attend RIPE meetings? We do have the scribes, video stream, chat room
    and mailing lists to lower the bar to participate. 

[Jordi] I don’t know if it is affecting many people, or many times, this is something they should say if they wish.

Remote participation is very nice, but we know that is not the same. Face-to-face chats are very relevant for anything.
    
    > I see a perfect valid case for a co-chair that is willing to
    > contribute with his time and effort, but is having financial
    > difficulties for getting the traveling + ticket cost covered (either
    > by the employer or its own pocket), so I think is fair, at least to
    > give the option to those co-chairs that need that, to opt for the
    > free-ticket if we don’t want to apply to all the co-chairs.
    
    But what about the working group participants that volunteer their time
    creating content, write BCPs, give presentations, answering questions,
    designing requirements, etc?

[Jordi] You’re right, many of us are very frequent+constant contributors, but I’m sure the time required for a co-chair is much higher.

Ideally, we should compensate all the frequent+constant contributors, may be that increases the participation … but I don’t see how can we that, it's a nice goal, but really complex to apply.

I will say an intermediate step is to waive also the registration fee for speakers, that’s feasible.

    Isn't everyone in RIPE a volunteer? It isn't just the chairs that do
    'work' in a working group. Without working group participants, there is
    no working group. Every participant volunteers to contribute in some way
    or form, so I'd be careful to segregate chairs from the rest of the
    community.

[Jordi] I think considering this approach of waiving the chairs registration fee a segregation is too extreme … Unless I’m wrong, in all the other RIRs meetings neither chairs, neither speakers pay for the registration fee. I will opt for that also in our meetings without any further thinking. I think is unfair not doing so actually.

    Kind regards,
    
    Job
    
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