[ripe-list] RIPE Accountability Task Force Update at RIPE 75

Dear Alexander

On 19/10/2017 12:10, Alexander Isavnin wrote:
> Dear Nigel!
>
> Thank you for the answers (in both capacities).
>
> Because we are in "RIPE Accountability" thread i do not think, that such answers are sufficient.
> Yes, it's very unusual combination of Dutch nonprofit, community, some international relations, shared resources etc.
> I feel you feel skeptical about Accountability Task Force, but unfortunately we need to write down and state openly some things, which are considered "well known" to Internet pioneers.
No, I'm not really sceptical about the TF and you are absolutely right, 
those of us who've been around a long time sometimes need to take a step 
back and examine the way we've "always done things" just to make sure 
we're still doing it right.
>
> On 2017-10-19 12:17:43 CET, Nigel Titley wrote:
>>> Did i get right, that "RIPE NCC is secretariat for community" is a fairy tale, told to RIPE Meetings newcomers?
>> No, RIPE NCC is a membership association which carries out Network
>> coordination activities on behalf of its membership and generally
>> governed by policies formulated by the RIPE community.
> "No it's not fairy tale" or "No, it's not being told"? :)
> https://ripe74.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/24-Newcomers-Intro_Axel_RIPE74.pdf
> Slide #3
No, it's not a fairy tale. Just slice the "No," off the front of the 
sentence.
>
> This is accountability question.
> Our task force trying to find approach to such difficult questions.
> And we hope for your help.
> "RIPE Chair does what it does" is funny, but not acceptable (for broader audience) answer.
I hope that particular round of arguments is dead... it was foolishness 
(mostly on my part).
>
> Hope for very constructive dialog after Accountability TF presentation.
Indeed. Looking forward to it.
>
> Alexander
>
> P. S. Btw, about ludicrous example. You (NCC) already signed MoU with Russian Telco Ministry not asking anyone. With Russian citizen hat on, i think any MoU with Columbian drug cartel will make lesser damage.
>
That particular MOU was intended to ease the provision of a near real 
time feed of the RIPE database to the Russian Telco ministry (at their 
request). And as far as I know, the Russian Telco Ministry isn't an 
illegal organisation.

All the best

Nigel