[ripe-chair-discuss] Chair nomination process

On 14 May 2020, at 15:41, Kurtis Lindqvist wrote:

>> On 14 May 2020, at 10:11, Gert Doering <gert at space.net> wrote:
>>
>> So, yes, I think input from RIR staff can be very valuable to policy
>> building - the community is watching, and I fully trust the community
>> to call "STOP!" if something questionable is proposed.
>>
>> If we do think, as RIPE community, that RIR employees should not be
>> permitted to participate in policy making, we need to adjust the PDP
>> to actually say so.
>
> I think they should be allowed to provide input to the PDP but not run 
> or control it. Those are two different factors. We have in the past 
> also (always?) made WG Chairs who become NCC employees step down. From 
> memory I think that happened for both when James Aldridge and Maco 
> Hogewoning joined the RIPE NCC.
>
> Daniel raises the issue that there never was a encoded separation 
> between the RIPE NCC and RIPE. I would have to go and check to what 
> extent it was encoded, but for almost all WG Chairs meetings I have 
> attended it has certainly been clear, and if we don’t believe this 
> to be the case any more or even that it shouldn’t be - then I 
> question why we need a RIPE chair at all? Surely this role then just 
> become a function of the NCC? If we believe that there is no 
> distinction between RIPE NCC and RIPE I would suggest we cut out a lot 
> of red tape and run RIPE as part of the RIPE NCC existing structures.

Would it not be possible for Mirjam to resign from the RIPE NCC once she 
is selected just as well. Or is she tainted for life?

>
> If we DO believe there is separation between RIPE and the RIPE NCC 
> then we need to ensure that is carried properly in the selection of 
> the RIPE Chair. This is not a view on any of the candidates it is a 
> view on what we see RIPE itself being. I would argue that we (well all 
> least I) didn’t foresee this complexity arising when reviewing the 
> RIPE chair selection process, and I now wish I had.
>
> - kurtis -