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[atlas] Possible software probe "farming" on AS47583
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Ben Cartwright-Cox
ripencc at benjojo.co.uk
Thu May 2 13:44:11 CEST 2024
Did anything come of this? I just ran a measurement to spot check something and the same AS47583 probes make up a "hilarious" amount of results: https://atlas.ripe.net/measurements/70655999#probes On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 at 23:16, Ben Cartwright-Cox <ripencc at benjojo.co.uk> wrote: > > Those limits seem reasonable enough, > > My own intuition would suggest values of: > > X=2 > Y=3 > Z=5 > > But otherwise, I welcome such a change being implemented! > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 at 15:43, Robert Kisteleki <robert at ripe.net> wrote: > > > > > > > Is there an immediate way to report these probes other than this > > > mailing list? I don't know of one and so I'm here :) > > > > > > Dear Ben and others, > > > > Each new, connected RIPE Atlas probe provides incremental value to the > > system and its users, but this value decreases with similarity to > > existing probes ("diminishing returns"). At the same time connecting a > > probe and processing results from it has some costs, so we'd like to be > > conscious of the cost/benefit ratio. > > > > Since the potential pool of software probes is almost infinite, in > > response to the highlighted case, we'd like to propose the following > > mid-term approach: > > > > * No user/account should be allowed to run more than X SW probes from > > the same IP (X=3 ?) > > > > * No user/account should be allowed to run more than Y SW probes from > > the same IPv4/24 IPv6/48 (Y=5 ?) > > > > * Regardless of the user/account, no more than Z SW probes should be > > allowed from the same IPv4/24 IPv6/48 (Z=10 ?) > > > > X, Y and Z are defaults, can be changed per account. This is done in > > order to facilitate corner cases and overstepping the limits, if this is > > warranted (given a good explanation). We are also reaching out to the > > current "peak users" to understand their use cases and motivations - the > > above limits can be enforced depending on the responses. > > > > In the longer term we believe a more flexible approach is to base this > > on what has been termed "probe similarity metrics": a new probe that is > > really similar to some existing one has less value to the system, > > therefore after reaching a low enough limit it can be refused, or > > alternatively, simply not gaining credits for its owner. This > > diincentivises creating "probe farms". > > > > Regards, > >
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