[atlas] [External] Re: Probe location obfuscation

2317 is actually 10 miles down the east lancs rd but configuration says manchester

Col


> On 26 Mar 2021, at 06:25, Mccherry, Paul (Student) <p.mccherry at lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Robert
> 
> I am using the probe estimated geolocations to validate a new active geolocation method I am formulating.
> 
> The probe I that I thought had an anomaly was in fact found to be within 1k distance of my estimated geo location using the new method. The original discrepancy was due to a number of factors that I had failed to accurately apply.
> 
> However, I have other probes that have similar but different issues and whilst I am working my way through these issues any additional information you can provide would be greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Paul McCherry
> Phd Student
> Lancaster University.
>  
> 
> From: Robert Kisteleki <robert at ripe.net <mailto:robert at ripe.net>>
> Sent: 25 March 2021 12:47
> To: Mccherry, Paul (Student) <p.mccherry at lancaster.ac.uk <mailto:p.mccherry at lancaster.ac.uk>>; ripe-atlas at ripe.net <mailto:ripe-atlas at ripe.net> <ripe-atlas at ripe.net <mailto:ripe-atlas at ripe.net>>
> Subject: [External] Re: [atlas] Probe location obfuscation
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> Hi,
> 
> On 2021-03-25 13:00, Ponikierski, Grzegorz via ripe-atlas wrote:
> > I would add to it additional problem that some hosts obfuscate probe
> > location even more. For example you can find probes which in reality are
> > located in US but are marked as CN or probes which are in reality in
> > Wisconsin but are marked in California. Of course these are extreme
> > cases. I guess most hosts just put a pin with probe location just
> > somewhere around where it's locate as long it's in the same city. I
> > don't remember, as a host of 3 probes, to get any precise
> > recommendations how to mark probe location. Personally I just put a pin
> > in city district where probe is locate.
> 
> We don't have strict rules about precisely how the hosts should
> geolocate their probes -- and could not enforce those even if we had
> them. Instead we recommend doing this "roughly correct", which for some
> hosts means city / neighbourhood is good enough, for some others it's
> the exact spot of the utility box at home :-)
> 
> > Can anyone confirm the geo-location obfuscation of probes as being up to
> > 1km as per
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> >
> > I am a Phd student carrying out research on the RIPE atlas platform and
> > an early result seems to indicate 1 probe has an obfuscation of 10km
> > distance but this may be an anomaly or perhaps something not taken into
> > account as yet.
> 
> We have a very simple algorithm that does the obfuscation consistently
> with a certain maximum distance added, which may not be precisely 1km.
> We can talk offline about the details if you're really interested in the
> precise method.
> 
> Cheers,
> Robert

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