<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"/></head><body style="font-family:Geneva,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">Dear Milton,<br /> <br /> <div> > What you need to do to make your argument convincing and meaningful, Alexey, is to explain<br /> > what harm is done by publishing this information. </div> <div> > Tell me what “safety” issues for example are raised by people knowing that a transaction took place? </div> <br /> <div> For Russia better don't open financial information about transfers, while criminal element will know who just received big amount of money and can e target for raiders. I think that we have to protect companies if we don't need to publish unnecessary information.<br /> <br /> Milton, why you will publish this information? What you will get from this statistic? <br /> <br /> -- </div> <div> Alexey Ivanov</div> <br /> 03.11.2012 21:32 - Dmitry Burkov написал(а):<br /> <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt" type="cite"> </div> <div> Milton, </div> <div> When in result your position can become so close to B.Flame dreams I can't agree with you.</div> <div> </div> <div> Sorry - you reminded me last discussions on Whois and last years talks about lea's expectations to minimize their spendings and to get centralized DBs with personal data on each Internet user or as it named in our country - personal authorization in Internet .</div> <div> </div> <div> Of course - you current talks seems are so far from this- but what's can be behind? I hope that you can understand that there are two side of one medal and the price of free market approach can be so high for us?</div> <div> </div> <div> Dima</div> <div> PS</div> <div> </div> <div> Sorry - it was not directly about disclosure info on transfers - it is a part of some of more general issues where this market is just a small part<br /> <br /> Sent from my iPhone</div> <div> <br /> On 03.11.2012, at 21:06, Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>> wrote:<br /> </div> <div> </div> <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt" type="cite"> <div> </div> </div> <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type" /> <meta content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)" name="Generator" /> <style type="text/css"> </style>  <div class="WordSection1"> <span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><br /> <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> <br /> <span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">For example, on stock market no one publish who sold and who bought shares. I think for safety reason. <span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></span><br /> <b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">[Milton L Mueller] <o:p></o:p></span></i></b><br /> <b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">One can pick a dozen other resources, ranging from acquisitions of companies to real estate transactions, where buyer and seller are documented. <o:p></o:p></span></i></b><br /> <b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">Second, even with stock exchanges, trades made by “insiders” are all documented, by name. <o:p></o:p></span></i></b><br /> <b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">Third, “safety reasons” dictate that resources held in rem are best recorded in a public exchange, so that it is more difficult to deceive anyone in the public as to who is the rightful owner of resources.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b><br /> <b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b><br /> <b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">What you need to do to make your argument convincing and meaningful, Alexey, is to explain what harm is done by publishing this information. <o:p></o:p></span></i></b><br /> <b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">Tell me what “safety” issues for example are raised by people knowing that a transaction took place? <o:p></o:p></span></i></b><br /> <b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b><br /> <span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">For analyse enought anonymous statistical information about transfers.<o:p></o:p></span><br /> <div> <br /> <span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">-- <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div> <span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Alexey Ivanov<br /> LeaderTelecom<o:p></o:p></span></div> <br /> <span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">29.10.2012 20:27 - Emilio Madaio написал(а):<o:p></o:p></span><br /> <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Dear Colleagues,<br /> <br /> The draft document for the version 2.0 of the proposal 2012-05 has<br /> been published. The impact analysis that was conducted for this<br /> proposal has also been published.<br /> <br /> <br /> The main changes in the new version are:<br /> <br /> -use of a bullet point layout for the proposal text;<br /> -anonymous reports of non-approved transfers.<br /> <br /> <br /> You can find the full proposal and impact analysis at:<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05" target="_blank" title="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05">https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05</a><br /> <br /> and the draft document at:<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05/draft" target="_blank" title="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05/draft">https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05/draft</a><br /> <br /> We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments<br /> to <a href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a> before 12 November 2012.<br /> <br /> Regards<br /> <br /> Emilio Madaio<br /> Policy Development Officer<br /> RIPE NCC<br /> <br /> <o:p></o:p></span></div> <span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></div> </div> <br /> </body></html>