[Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role

Yes, and not necessarily needed to be one by one. Probably there should be a way to do all at once.
Its doable, isnt it?

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> On Jun 11, 2019, at 8:12 PM, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc at parsun.com> wrote:
> 
> You mean adding every registered email in this list to the new/local IRNOG?
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> From: shadi shahlapour <shadi.shahlapour at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2019 11:40 AM
> To: Hisham Ibrahim <hmi at ripe.net>
> Cc: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc at parsun.com>; persian-lir at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
>  
> Dear all,
>  
> I exactly remember all the points that Hisham mentioned. Based on what we discussed during the lunch meeting in Tehran, this mailing list supposed to be a temporary and just for supporting and helping us to build our own community.
> With all the hard works, now we have IRNOG and what if we use the domain for moving the registered email addresses to the new/local one.
> Please advise.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Shadi Shahlapour
>  
>  
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:19 PM Hisham Ibrahim <hmi at ripe.net> wrote:
> Salam Arash and Payam,
>  
> Thank you for your feedback on this, and allow me to try to address some of your points.
>  
> This mailing list was set up as one of the action items that came out of the member lunch in Tehran back in 2015.
>  
> During that meeting there was a lot of discussion about the community self organising itself to do more translation into Farsi as well as building a national platform (NOG).
>  
> So I suggested the list as a means to continue the discussion beyond the member lunch.
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> You can see this in one of the very first threads on the archives.
> https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html
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> The list has always been open to anyone interested to subscribe or even unsubscribe at their will.
>  
> We agreed during the member lunch not to automatically enrolled anyone to the list, and leave it to the interested individuals to contribute as they saw fit.
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> It was also agreed that this would be a “temporary” list till the community builds up the NOG and develops the other communication channels.
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> This was also reflected in blog post by Milad Afshari & Shahin Gharghi about the creation of IRNOG.
> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog
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> Before sending out the email to retire the list I looked up the archives and found that the last discussion thread dated back to over a year ago (April 2018).
>  
> The number of subscribers that leave keep on increasing as they have found the other channels more informative (currently the list has roughly 100 subscribers)
>  
> I would hate for the list to just be there in name with zero added value to the community that it was set up to serve. 
>  
> I personally feel the list has delivered on the goals that it was set up to do and should the need ever present itself we can always relaunch it.
>  
> My two cents
> Hisham
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> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam at rasana.net> wrote:
> Hi Hisham
> I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not
>  
>  
> There was not automatic enrolment to this list.
> All members that have joined decided to join 
>  
> According to the mailing list archives the last discussion thread on the list dates back to April 2018.
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> The Mailing list was set up after the member lunch we had in Tehran back in 2015.
> During that member lunch many topics were discussed such as:
> - Crowd sourcing translating useful technical documents into Farsi
> - Getting more qualified technical trainers that can train on IPv6
> - Building a National NOG
> - Host a MENOG event in Iran 
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> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog
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> 
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> On 10 Jun 2019, at 04:26, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc at parsun.com> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I agree with Payam,
>  
> Back to 2015, this list was not created to support building and development of technical community in Iran, they were already established years ago.
> But mostly was created to let the Iranian NCC members have an easy channel of communication.
>  
> I still like to have this channel open, not sure how removing the list can benefit the members. 
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Arash Naderpour
>  
>  
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam at rasana.net> wrote:
> Hi Hisham
> I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not.
> There are a couple of Telegram channels which somehow Iranian techies communicate. But there are some shortcomings:
> -    Telegram is filtered (!), so it is not such a communication channel checks by all members frequently
> -    Whatsapp discloses phone numbers in the groups, that why it didn’t go well
> -    Some of the major players do not show up in the telegram channels at all, particularly government bodies and financial institutes who are LIR.
>  
>  
> So if this list includes all of them, it could be an excellent potential to move part of technical discussions/follow-ups here and make it active.
>  
> Best Regards
> Payam
>  
> From: Persian-lir <persian-lir-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of Hisham Ibrahim
> Sent: June 4, 2019 4:49 PM
> To: persian-lir at ripe.net
> Subject: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
>  
> Dear colleagues and friends,
> 
> The Persian-LIR mailing list was established back in 2015 in an effort
> to try to support the building and development of the local technical
> community in Iran.
> 
>  
> As the discussions seem to have naturally moved to these channels on
> different messaging platforms, I think it is time to retire this list
> after successfully concluding its role.
> 
> Unless there are any major objections to doing so by the end of the
> month, this mailing list will be deactivated by the beginning of July.
> 
> 
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