[Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role

Dear Arash ,
I agree with you , but i guess the main reason that no one is using this
distribution list is :

- no one knows who are in the list of persian LIR ,
   because usually we are looking to talk with specific person to answer a
question in group then  in private ,

- the main communication tools for most if  iranian are Telegram and
Whatsapp ,
   and they are sure that everyone has a telegram account but they are not
sure that the person  has an email and that email is  member of Persian LIR
,

Than you Arash for all your support ,
Regards ,
Mayssam Rahmatian





On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 8:03 PM Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc at parsun.com>
wrote:

> Hi Hisham,
>
>
>
> As no one else was speaking up favour of keeping the mailing list active
> in past 30 days or coming up with new goals or objective of this list, I
> agree with you that this is the time to retire the list.
>
> I would like to thank you and your colleagues at RIPE NCC for supporting
> our local community.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Arash Naderpour
>
>
>
> P.S if someone is still not a member of “Iran LIR” telegram group you can
> join at: https://t.me/joinchat/BqbjWUdT5NF5MynHas1SYA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Persian-lir <persian-lir-bounces at ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *Hisham
> Ibrahim
> *Sent:* Friday, 28 June 2019 5:40 PM
> *To:* Hisham Ibrahim <hmi at ripe.net>
> *Cc:* persian-lir at ripe.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after
> successfully concluding its role
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> As we don’t seem to have reached consensus on what to do with this mailing
> list.
>
> I will propose to extend the deadline for comments till the 30th of July.
>
> As I stated in my previous email.
>
> I would love to hear from anyone keen to keep this list up and running
> what the new goals and objectives of this list will be to help benefit the
> local technical community in Iran.
>
> Regards
>
> Hisham
>
>
>
> :
>
>
>
> Dear Arash and all,
>
> The reason why I started this thread is to revaluate where this mailing
> list that has been quiet for over a year now is. (You have worked with me
> and know I am always keen on perfecting and enhancing everything we do).
>
> This list was created with initial gaols in mind which as I highlighted in
> pervious emails have been fulfilled. (This is actually something too be
> proud of)
>
> Having said that, there is nothing that keeps us as a group of roughly 100
> people of setting new goals and measuring how effective we are in meeting
> them when the time comes.
>
> I would love to hear from you and hopefully others on the list what the
> technical community would like to achieve as goals and how they think this
> list can help them reach it.
>
> Regards
>
> Hisham
>
>
>
> On 12 Jun 2019, at 09:02, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc at parsun.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Adding someone to a new list just  because someone else is thinking to
> kill another list, bad practice.
>
>
>
> Unsubscribe here and join any other list that you like, that’s the way it
> can be.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Shadi Shahlapour <shadi.shahlapour at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 June 2019 1:13 PM
> *To:* Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc at parsun.com>
> *Cc:* Hisham Ibrahim <hmi at ripe.net>; persian-lir at ripe.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after
> successfully concluding its role
>
>
>
> Yes, and not necessarily needed to be one by one. Probably there should be
> a way to do all at once.
>
> Its doable, isnt it?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 11, 2019, at 8:12 PM, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc at parsun.com> wrote:
>
> You mean adding every registered email in this list to the new/local IRNOG?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* shadi shahlapour <shadi.shahlapour at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 June 2019 11:40 AM
> *To:* Hisham Ibrahim <hmi at ripe.net>
> *Cc:* Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc at parsun.com>; persian-lir at ripe.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after
> successfully concluding its role
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> I exactly remember all the points that Hisham mentioned. Based on what
> we discussed during the lunch meeting in Tehran, this mailing list supposed
> to be a temporary and just for supporting and helping us to build our own
> community.
>
> With all the hard works, now we have IRNOG and what if we use the domain
> for moving the registered email addresses to the new/local one.
>
> Please advise.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Shadi Shahlapour
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:19 PM Hisham Ibrahim <hmi at ripe.net> wrote:
>
> Salam Arash and Payam,
>
>
>
> Thank you for your feedback on this, and allow me to try to address some
> of your points.
>
>
>
> This mailing list was set up as one of the action items that came out of
> the member lunch in Tehran back in 2015.
>
>
>
> During that meeting there was a lot of discussion about the community self
> organising itself to do more translation into Farsi as well as building a
> national platform (NOG).
>
>
>
> So I suggested the list as a means to continue the discussion beyond the
> member lunch.
>
>
>
> You can see this in one of the very first threads on the archives.
>
> https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html
>
>
>
> The list has always been open to anyone interested to subscribe or even
> unsubscribe at their will.
>
>
>
> We agreed during the member lunch not to automatically enrolled anyone to
> the list, and leave it to the interested individuals to contribute as they
> saw fit.
>
>
>
> It was also agreed that this would be a “temporary” list till the
> community builds up the NOG and develops the other communication channels.
>
>
>
> This was also reflected in blog post by Milad Afshari & Shahin Gharghi
> about the creation of IRNOG.
>
> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog
>
>
>
> Before sending out the email to retire the list I looked up the archives
> and found that the last discussion thread dated back to over a year ago
> (April 2018).
>
>
>
> The number of subscribers that leave keep on increasing as they have found
> the other channels more informative (currently the list has roughly 100
> subscribers)
>
>
>
> I would hate for the list to just be there in name with zero added value
> to the community that it was set up to serve.
>
>
>
> I personally feel the list has delivered on the goals that it was set up
> to do and should the need ever present itself we can always relaunch it.
>
>
>
> My two cents
>
> Hisham
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam at rasana.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Hisham
>
> I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the
> list at the beginning or not
>
>
>
>
>
> There was not automatic enrolment to this list.
>
> All members that have joined decided to join
>
>
>
> According to the mailing list archives the last discussion thread on the
> list dates back to April 2018.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Mailing list was set up after the member lunch we had in Tehran back
> in 2015.
>
> During that member lunch many topics were discussed such as:
>
> - Crowd sourcing translating useful technical documents into Farsi
>
> - Getting more qualified technical trainers that can train on IPv6
>
> - Building a National NOG
>
> - Host a MENOG event in Iran
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog
>
>
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>
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> On 10 Jun 2019, at 04:26, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc at parsun.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I agree with Payam,
>
>
>
> Back to 2015, this list was not created to support building and
> development of technical community in Iran, they were already established
> years ago.
>
> But mostly was created to let the Iranian NCC members have an easy channel
> of communication.
>
>
>
> I still like to have this channel open, not sure how removing the list can
> benefit the members.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Arash Naderpour
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam at rasana.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Hisham
>
> I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the
> list at the beginning or not.
>
> There are a couple of Telegram channels which somehow Iranian techies
> communicate. But there are some shortcomings:
>
> -    Telegram is filtered (!), so it is not such a communication channel
> checks by all members frequently
>
> -    Whatsapp discloses phone numbers in the groups, that why it didn’t go
> well
>
> -    Some of the major players do not show up in the telegram channels at
> all, particularly government bodies and financial institutes who are LIR.
>
>
>
>
>
> So if this list includes all of them, it could be an excellent potential
> to move part of technical discussions/follow-ups here and make it active.
>
>
>
> Best Regards
>
> Payam
>
>
>
> *From:* Persian-lir <persian-lir-bounces at ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *Hisham
> Ibrahim
> *Sent:* June 4, 2019 4:49 PM
> *To:* persian-lir at ripe.net
> *Subject:* [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully
> concluding its role
>
>
>
> Dear colleagues and friends,
>
> The Persian-LIR mailing list was established back in 2015 in an effort
> to try to support the building and development of the local technical
> community in Iran.
>
>
>
> As the discussions seem to have naturally moved to these channels on
> different messaging platforms, I think it is time to retire this list
> after successfully concluding its role.
>
> Unless there are any major objections to doing so by the end of the
> month, this mailing list will be deactivated by the beginning of July.
>
>
>
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