<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Rob Shultz,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I didn't start it, your mob friends started it.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> ... "I'm willing to stake my ENTIRE reputation" ... - Can you confirm or deny that you know or don't know the real identify of the key person behind "The Spamhaus Project" which is "Mike Anderson" ?</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Only Spamhaus members knows the real identity behind "Mike Anderson", come on deny or confirm if you know his real identity or not and after it I will write his real identify and proof that you know him personally.<br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Respectfully,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Elad<br> </div> <div id="appendonsend"></div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Rob McEwen <rob@invaluement.com><br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:06 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io>; opensource-wg@ripe.net <opensource-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [opensource-wg] false accusations about Rob McEwen (from invaluement) posted to this list</font> <div> </div> </div> <div> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Elad,</div> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix"><br> </div> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Of course I have to go on public record - for any public accusation (remember, you started this). But that is really all I need to do in this case. Everything else you mentioned just isn't worth my time/money. (I barely find it worth typing this message.) The presumption in your last post is that you're worth it. You aren't. But your entertainment value is only improving! Thanks!</div> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix"><br> </div> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Now - if you want to sue me or spamhaus - and have a "discovery phase" where your attorneys can legal subpoena the information that would prove or disprove - your public accusations - I hate to break it to ya - but you're going to be extremely disappointed. (at least with my identity)<br> </div> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix"><br> </div> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">FINALLY - in spite of your entertainment value - if I were an admin of this list, I'd start asking you to "put up, or shut up" - if only to ensure that this list isn't starting to get "spammed" with useless information. I'm willing to stake my ENTIRE reputation on the fact that there is no way possible for you to prove that I'm "Rob Schultz" from Spamhaus. Because I'm not.</div> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix"><br> </div> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">You're either: <br> (1) lying as some weird kind of practical joke<br> OR<br> (2) lying to just try to mess with anti-spam people<br> OR<br> (3) sincerely believe this is true, but in that case you'd have to be delusional (or something LIKE that)<br> </div> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix"><br> </div> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">YES - that is a very serious accusation I just made - with legal ramifications - but if you were to sue me over that, there would be no possible way for you to prove that I'm "Rob Schultz" - because I'm not - and in a court, "Truth" is an absolute defense. No amount of "discovery" in the world will reveal that - because it isn't true.</div> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix"><br> </div> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">So tell me, why ELSE would you lie about that? Is there another option I'm not considering? <br> <br> But it STILL isn't worth my time/money to sue you.<br> </div> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix"><br> </div> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Rob McEwen<br> invaluement.com<br> </div> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix"><br> </div> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 5/7/2020 3:27 PM, Elad Cohen wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite"><style type="text/css" style="display:none">  </style> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> A normal person would sue me (or at least send me some email message) and not writing that it is a good "entertainment".</div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> But in the lawsuit all your secret acquaintances from "The Spamhaus Project" will be written, so of course that you will want to avoid it.<br> </div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> You are "Rob Shultz" from "The Spamhaus Project" and we both know that you know (personally) many more than 3 members from "The Spamhaus Project", deny it and all your secret acquaintances from "The Spamhaus Project" will be written.</div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> You know who is the real person behind "Mike Anderson", only Spamhaus members know the real identity of "Mike Anderson".<br> </div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Respectfully,</div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Elad</div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <hr tabindex="-1" style="display:inline-block; width:98%"> <div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> opensource-wg <a class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:opensource-wg-bounces@ripe.net"><opensource-wg-bounces@ripe.net></a> on behalf of Rob McEwen <a class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rob@invaluement.com"><rob@invaluement.com></a><br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 7, 2020 6:26 PM<br> <b>To:</b> <a class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:opensource-wg@ripe.net"> opensource-wg@ripe.net</a> <a class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:opensource-wg@ripe.net"> <opensource-wg@ripe.net></a><br> <b>Subject:</b> [opensource-wg] false accusations about Rob McEwen (from invaluement) posted to this list</font> <div> </div> </div> <div> <p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">About once or twice a month, I google "invaluement" combined with looking for search results from the past month, to look for recent mentions of "invaluement". This not only helps me to gauge interest, it also helps me to find rare false positive "signals" that might have been just under my radar. Today, I noticed this little gem:<br> </p> <p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px"><a href="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/opensource-wg/2020-April.txt">https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/opensource-wg/2020-April.txt</a></p> <p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">Let me just say unequivocally that I an NOT "Rob Shultz" from Spamhaus. I've never even heard of him. If you held a gun to my head and said, "tell me all the names of those who work at Spamhaus", on a good day, when my memory is doing good, I might be able to come up with 3, and this isn't one of those. (I converse with someone there on average less than once per year.... more like once per 3 years!) I am fond of Spamhaus and I think they do great work, so I actually take this accusation as a compliment! But neither I nor invaluement is connected or associated with Spamhaus in any way. We're merely friendly competitors. The last time (and ONLY time) I saw any of them in person was at a M3WAAG conference in Atlanta in 2015. (I don't get out much!). The last time I talked to one of them was at a recent zoom-like "virtual" email conference, where that particular session had multiple participants from many anti-spam blacklists. But that was rare. Otherwise, I've maybe had 2 conversations with them in the past 5 years. We don't share ANY data with each other. Come to think of it, we really SHOULD probably communicate more often! I'm actually sort of embarrassed to admit here how little I get out and connect with others in my industry!<br> </p> <p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">So this post is basically loony. But I did get a good laugh out of it. Thanks for the entertainment!<br> </p> <pre class="x_x_moz-signature" cols="72">-- Rob McEwen <a class="x_x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.invaluement.com">https://www.invaluement.com</a> </pre> </div> </blockquote> <p><br> </p> <pre class="x_moz-signature" cols="72">-- Rob McEwen <a class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.invaluement.com">https://www.invaluement.com</a> +1 (478) 475-9032 </pre> </div> </body> </html>