[opensource-wg] Open Source WG Draft Minutes - RIPE 69

Hi WG!
Here are the minutes from the last meeting.

		Ondrej & Martin

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Open Source Working Group - RIPE 69
Wednesday, 5 November, 9:00-10:39
Draft Minutes
WG Chairs: Martin Winter, Ondrej Filip
Scribe: Anand Buddhdev

A. Admin matters

The working group chairs, Ondrej Filip and Martin Winters, welcomed the
participants. The agenda was reviewed and some presentations were
shuffled to
allow a presenter to leave early.

There were no comments on the minutes of the WG session of RIPE 68.

There were no outstanding action items.

B. Lightning Update

Sara Dickinson gave a presentation about Hedgehog.

The presentation is available at:
https://ripe69.ripe.net/presentations/76-Hedgehog_RIPE69.pdf

Ondrej Sury asked if they could provide a Flashless version. Sara said
that in
the upcoming 2.0.0 version, there will be a choice between Flash and SVG.

C. Using OpenSource to develop OpenSource
Ondřej Surý, CZ NIC

The presentation is available at:
https://ripe69.ripe.net/presentations/77-OS-20141105-RIPE69.pdf

Peter van Dijk (PowerDNS) commented that not all projects have
resources for
running their own gitlab, and recommended the use of Github, Travis and
Coverity.

D. Use cases of ExaBGP, How ExaBGP Got Where It Is and What Is Next
Thomas Mangin

Kaveh Ranjbar (RIPE NCC) thanked Thomas for this project, and said
that the
RIPE NCC is going to start deploying new RIS (Routing Information Service)
servers based on ExaBGP, and will provide updates soon. He then asked
Thomas if
there would be any support for RPKI-RTR (RFC 6810) in ExaBGP. Thomas
said he
will not do it himself, but he will accept contributions.

E. Lightning updates

Lua Policy Engine
Peter van Dijk

The presentation is available at:
https://ripe69.ripe.net/presentations/55-powerdns-ripe69.pdf

There were no questions.

Bird Update
Ondrej Filip

The presentation is available at:
https://ripe69.ripe.net/presentations/79-BIRD-RIPE-Update.pdf

Martin Winter asked how RFC compliance testing was done in the code.
Ondrej
said there were not many formal methods. He said they have a test
network that
changes often, and is built badly by design. They also involve beta
testers. He
said it was not easy to test it in some known ways, so most testing is
done
with live networks.

Quagga Update
Paul Jakma

The presentation is available at:
https://ripe69.ripe.net/presentations/85-ripe69-os-quagga-update.pdf

Nick Hilliard (INEX) commented that Cumulus Networks had posted many
patches
lately, including a fix for a BGP renegotiation problem (causing some
peers to
just fail to connect after a restart of Quagga). He asked whether Paul
could
prioritise merging these patches in, especially as they depend on several
other outstanding patches. Paul said he wasn't sure which patches they
were,
and asked Nick to indicate which patches he was talking about.

Nat Morris (Cumulus Networks) said that their patches are on GitHub,
and one
can compile the code, or use their DEB packages directly. He said Cumulus
Networks would be happy to help integrating these patches.

Jaap Akkerhuis gave an update on NSD 4.1.

No presentation was uploaded.

There were no questions.

F. Open source working group chair terms and conditions

Martin Winter and Ondrej Filip introduced the issue of chair
selection, and
invited the group to give their input.

Niall O'Reilly referred the group to Nigel Titley's ideas in the Database
Working Group session. Martin asked Niall to give more details. Niall
explained
that when a chair needs to step down, there's a nomination to the group,
followed by a negotiation phase to find a candidate. If this doesn't work,
names are drawn out of a hat. Martin thought it may not be the best
choice and
said that the negotiation phase was a strange idea.

Shane Kerr said that a simple vote by show of hands is easy, and he
prefers it
over other ideas.

Gilles Maassen said that RIPE working group work is done by consensus,
and so he
prefers chair selection by consensus. This would have the advantage of not
excluding members who were not in the room.

Leslie Carr suggested the use of IRC chat and IRC "hands" for voting.
Martin
said that most RIPE WG decisions are taken by voting at a meeting;
people not
present don't have a right to vote.

Benedikt Stockebrand (speaking as incoming chair of the IPv6 WG) said that
consensus is the best. If possible, it should always be used to select a
chair.
However, if consensus fails, there should be a policy in place (vote,
random
draw) as a last resort to stop things getting out of control.

Peter Koch (DENIC) said that a vote was probably not the right thing to
do. He
said that for a proper vote, an electorate is required, and that without a
proper setup, an IRC vote could easily be "gamed". He agreed with Gilles
Maassen and said that building consensus was important, and that if a tie
needed to be broken, then drawing a name out of a hat, rather than a
vote, was
the fairest method.

Kostas Zorbadelos (via chat) asked about introducing candidate profiles.
Ondrej
Filip said candidates would be expected to introduce themselves on the
mailing
list about a month before the selection. Martin reiterated the same.

Martin then asked or opinion about the number of chairs, and whether it
should
be two or three. Benedikt Stockebrand said that having two could lead to a
deadlock about opinion. Having three makes it easier, because the one who
opinion differs from the other two's can perhaps more easily change his
mind.
Ondrej said that currently having two chairs has led to disagreements, and
Martin jokingly added that he usually wins.

Martin asked people to think about volunteering for the position of
chair, and
submit their intention a month before the next RIPE meeting.

Ondrej Filip thanked everyone for attending.

Meeting ended.