<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=ru-UA link=blue vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Hi All !</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> Hi All!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> Let me point out what is happening with Ukrainian resources<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> transfers.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> We are now facing with the hugest government based attack<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> against our basic principles of government free self<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> regulation.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> I think the real target of the attacker is to obtain<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> a financial gain from IPv4 market.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> First, the deputy of Ukrainian Parliament Olexandr Fedienko<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> wrote a letter to RIPE NCC with the initiative of hand-checking<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> transfer requests with Ukrainian government agency. This idea<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> was not accepted neither by Ukrainian, nor by European<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> community. People understand this is a step out from RIPE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> community self-governance and the source of corrupted money for<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> this agency as it should decide either pass the transfer or<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> not.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> After that initiative was rejected, Fedienko with the help of<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> his representatives at the RIPE 85 meeting in Belgade tried to<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> ban all the transfers outside Ukraine. His representatives<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> promoted a set of very expressive and emotional speeches about<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> possible forced transfers. He also used his power and pushed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> a set of Ukrainian companies to register online to RIPE 85 (and<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> for some reason - for GM, I think he just don't understand the<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> difference) and to send a copy-pasted message about support of<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> the ban.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> The idea is to close the market, limiting the transfers only to<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> Ukrainian companies.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>The proposal is to temporarily deny ALL transfers, inside and outside of Ukraine, so that all resource holders will remain with what they have, and nobody could possibly get hold of their resources.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> And to buy resources almost for free, as the war pushes people<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> to sell it, while the buy offers are very limited. It looks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> logical. But their arguments for the ban are not.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>This is very hypothetical scenario, based on wrong assumption, described one paragraph above.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>And even if that assumption would not be wrong, it is quite unrealistic that Ukrainian companies that maintain infrastructure and struggle to rebuild networks on destroyed or de-occupied territories are going to sell their IP addresses to get some profit - they do not have enough of them already, how are they going to get more?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>On the other hand, there is quite real scenario for companies whose business is based on re-selling IP addresses or providing "services" of moving resources out of Ukraine, including the one that Max Tulyev announced just several days ago (<a href="https://www.facebook.com/mt6561/posts/pfbid0273c1ndwbZXBLc9ST7sFwisCC9o8Bw9Yhs8vAUfX1e9HP5UmQexvUCbnGp8RtQVvFl" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC'>https://www.facebook.com/mt6561/posts/pfbid0273c1ndwbZXBLc9ST7sFwisCC9o8Bw9Yhs8vAUfX1e9HP5UmQexvUCbnGp8RtQVvFl</span></a>).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>Such businesses will not thrive if the transfers will be frozen.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>Of course, these companies are also part of the RIPE community. But the community could choose what values it supports.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> They said they need the whole-Ukrainian ban to protect<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> resources at the distressed areas against the forced transfer.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> First, while RIPE NCC accepts "documents" issued on the<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> occupied territories based on LPR/DPR/Russian jurisdiction,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> this ban of Ukrainian resources transfer can be easily avoided<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> just using these "documents". Including for the real forced<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> transfers.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>It isn't clear what is the problem you describe here.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>However, it is a problem that many companies from those territories are registered by RIPE NCC based on registration papers issued either by russia or dnr/lnr, and therefore might not be seen as Ukrainian.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>Ideally RIPE NCC should block transfers of companies registered on the whole internationally recognized territory of Ukraine, including all occupied territories.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> Second, it is nothing to do with Ukrainian companies based on<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> the territories not in the distress area. From the war front<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> line to for example Uzhgorod city there are ~800km and 2000m<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> high mountains. Why should we complicate the life for these<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> companies?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>For someone who fled the country it might seem that there are distressed areas and areas "behind high mountains". But the reality in Ukraine is that the whole country is distressed. There are companies registered in what you describe as "safe areas", but they have representatives on all territory of the country, including occupied areas. Or the head of a company in the "safe" territory could have relatives who are under occupation. In all such cases they could be threatened and forced to sign transfer documents.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> Third, it is unclear why transfers inside Ukraine should not be<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> banned for the time the policy is being updated. If we really<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> have the problem, it is logical to ban all transfers.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>Again, the proposal is to temporarily hold all transfers of Ukrainian holders.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> Forth, I asked many times to show any example of the forced<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> transfer in the distress area. They can't. I did not hear any<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> of these situations myself. So for me the problem they are<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> trying to solve did not even exist.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> This situation with the possible country-wide transfer ban rose<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> a big discussion in Telecom Ukraine telegram channel, which is<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> a discussion point for a lot of (but not all) Ukrainian<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> Internet and telecom companies.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> Instead of explaining things for my requests, Olexandr Fedienko<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> call me there a hidden Russian FSB agent, and Olena Kushnir<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> said I do not understand that "we should keep a valuable<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> resource inside our country during the war". But sorry, these<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> are definitely not their resources! So they should not tell<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> holders what to do with it, until we are not live in<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> a Communist country where all things belongs to the government.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> This situation makes deeply concern Ukrainian community and<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> resources holders. We are really afraid some of this proposals<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> will be implemented without consensus inside Ukrainian<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> community, just because of government letters, emotional<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> speeches. And definitely without any "closed meetings" (C)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> Olena Kushnir with NCC staff inaccessible for people with<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> another opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> It will be so kind if RIPE NCC officials release a statement<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> where they clearly state they will not implement any bans for<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> resource holders not in the distress area. And any changes on<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> the policy will be implemented with the current policy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> development process, consensus, and in the co-operation with<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> all community. This will calm down the situation and will<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> convince people that NCC really respects and protects the<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> interests of the community members.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>> Thank you very much for the long reading!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA>><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>And in the end it will be better if we focus our efforts on solving the problem, and not on writing a hypothetical stories. The discussion should be constructive and effective. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Thanks. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Viktoriia Opanasiuk<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ru-UA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /><table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;"><tr><td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"><img src="https://s-install.avcdn.net/ipm/preview/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif" alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"/></a></td><td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e; font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 18px;">Virus-free.<a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avast.com</a></td></tr></table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1" height="1"> </a></div></body></html>