<div dir="ltr">Dear Mattias, <div><br></div><div>responding on <span lang="EN-US" style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-family:Arial,"sans-serif"">«As this only affects
LIRs, I doubt there will be significant participation by non-LIRs» I must say
that it </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,"sans-serif"">affects all internet service providers that use IP
resources. In Ukraine there are more than 5 000 registered ISPs, but not all of them are LIRs. </span></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,"sans-serif""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span style="font-family:Arial,"sans-serif"">The situation that we have now
is that when russian troops withdraw from our territory, they dismantle and
take with them not only washing machines, but also telecom equipment, TV- and
radio-transmitters, leaving people who live there without any information
channels and means of communication. We have to </span>re-build<span style="font-family:Arial,"sans-serif""> telecom and internet
infrastructure, and yes, we could bring new equipment there, but if the IP
addresses of local Internet Providers </span>will be<span style="font-family:Arial,"sans-serif""> transferred to other parties, we
will not be able to restore even our critical infrastructure there, and there
is no place to get new IPv4 addresses.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,"sans-serif"">Therefore any solutions that
involve allowing transfers now and somehow reverting them later are not solving
this immediate problem that we have.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span style="font-family:Arial,"sans-serif""> </span></p><div>Viktoriia Opanasiuk</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">чт, 27 окт. 2022 г. в 16:59, Matthias Merkel <<a href="mailto:matthias.merkel@staclar.com" target="_blank">matthias.merkel@staclar.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11pt">Hi Viktoriia,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">RIPE operates on consensus policies. A new policy cannot be adopted if there is a meaningful number of objections like clearly there is here.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">As has been explained in the in-person meetings, a freeze cannot be implemented until a corresponding policy is in place, as this may otherwise open up the RIPE NCC
to civil liability. Of course, there is also a risk that a freeze could negatively impact Ukrainian LIRs (for example ones who may want to sell parts of their IP space to fund continued operations).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">For the reasons above, I personally don’t think that a blanket ban will be a good solution. Instead, the RIPE NCC should conduct increased due diligence on transfers
from Ukraine and other high-risk regions. From what I understand, the NCC has already implemented these measures.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">Most of the recent emails have already identified themselves as Ukrainian, some including a reg-id or at least mentioning they were an LIR as well. As this only affects
LIRs, I doubt there will be significant participation by non-LIRs. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">Matthias Merkel<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">Staclar, Inc.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">ncc-services-wg <<a href="mailto:ncc-services-wg-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">ncc-services-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a>> on behalf of Viktoriia Opanasiuk <<a href="mailto:viktoriia.opanasiuk@gmail.com" target="_blank">viktoriia.opanasiuk@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 27. October 2022 at 15:51<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:ncc-services-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">ncc-services-wg@ripe.net</a> <<a href="mailto:ncc-services-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">ncc-services-wg@ripe.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[ncc-services-wg] IP adress transferring in Ukraine<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hi everyone! <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Looking at such a broad discussion around the issue of the decision to protect Ukrainian IP resources, I want to add a comment and a wish.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">First of all, I would like to clarify the issue a little. We are only talking about temporarily freezing the transfer of IP addresses until a solution to correctly identify and prohibit risky transfers is
found and implemented.<br>
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And in order to understand who exactly is against the temporary freeze or who supports it , it would be very good if you wrote a few words about who exactly those who express their position represent.<br>
For example, does the company have LIR status, is the company an ISP provider, and if so, in which regions of Ukraine does it provide services. If the LIR is not a ISP provider, does it continue its work in Ukraine? This is purely to understand whether the
position of the participant in the discussion is from a representative of the Ukrainian community and what part of this community he represents. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Otherwise, this discussion may slightly distort the real problems that exist in Ukraine today.<br clear="all">
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</div></blockquote></div></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">З повагою,<div>Вікторія Опанасюк</div></div></div></div></div></div>