[ncc-services-wg] IP adress transferring in Ukraine

Viktoria,

as I said you in TU Telegram chat, THAT IS NOT YOUR RESOURCES. Period.

You are trying to build a communism saying (actually not your) IP 
addresses are the resource of the country, so we should implement a 
government barrier (ban outside transfer) to save the "national heritage".

Once again. It is not a national resource. It is not your. Keep your 
hands away from it.

People here do not like commies. Sorry.

27.10.22 18:44, Viktoriia Opanasiuk пише:
> Dear Mattias,
> 
> responding on «As this only affects LIRs, I doubt there will be 
> significant participation by non-LIRs» I must say that it affects all 
> internet service providers that use IP resources. In Ukraine there are 
> more than 5 000 registered ISPs, but not all of them are LIRs.
> 
> The situation that we have now is that when russian troops withdraw from 
> our territory, they dismantle and take with them not only washing 
> machines, but also telecom equipment, TV- and radio-transmitters, 
> leaving people who live there without any information channels and means 
> of communication. We have to re-buildtelecom and internet 
> infrastructure, and yes, we could bring new equipment there, but if the 
> IP addresses of local Internet Providers will betransferred to other 
> parties, we will not be able to restore even our critical infrastructure 
> there, and there is no place to get new IPv4 addresses.
> 
> Therefore any solutions that involve allowing transfers now and somehow 
> reverting them later are not solving this immediate problem that we have.
> 
> Viktoriia Opanasiuk
> 
> чт, 27 окт. 2022 г. в 16:59, Matthias Merkel 
> <matthias.merkel at staclar.com <mailto:matthias.merkel at staclar.com>>:
> 
>     Hi Viktoriia,____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     RIPE operates on consensus policies. A new policy cannot be adopted
>     if there is a meaningful number of objections like clearly there is
>     here.____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     As has been explained in the in-person meetings, a freeze cannot be
>     implemented until a corresponding policy is in place, as this may
>     otherwise open up the RIPE NCC to civil liability. Of course, there
>     is also a risk that a freeze could negatively impact Ukrainian LIRs
>     (for example ones who may want to sell parts of their IP space to
>     fund continued operations).____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     For the reasons above, I personally don’t think that a blanket ban
>     will be a good solution. Instead, the RIPE NCC should conduct
>     increased due diligence on transfers from Ukraine and other
>     high-risk regions. From what I understand, the NCC has already
>     implemented these measures.____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     Most of the recent emails have already identified themselves as
>     Ukrainian, some including a reg-id or at least mentioning they were
>     an LIR as well. As this only affects LIRs, I doubt there will be
>     significant participation by non-LIRs. ____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     Matthias Merkel____
> 
>     Staclar, Inc.____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     *From: *ncc-services-wg <ncc-services-wg-bounces at ripe.net
>     <mailto:ncc-services-wg-bounces at ripe.net>> on behalf of Viktoriia
>     Opanasiuk <viktoriia.opanasiuk at gmail.com
>     <mailto:viktoriia.opanasiuk at gmail.com>>
>     *Date: *Thursday, 27. October 2022 at 15:51
>     *To: *ncc-services-wg at ripe.net <mailto:ncc-services-wg at ripe.net>
>     <ncc-services-wg at ripe.net <mailto:ncc-services-wg at ripe.net>>
>     *Subject: *[ncc-services-wg] IP adress transferring in Ukraine____
> 
>     Hi everyone! ____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     Looking at such a broad discussion around the issue of the decision
>     to protect Ukrainian IP resources, I want to add a comment and a
>     wish.____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     First of all, I would like to clarify the issue a little. We are
>     only talking about temporarily freezing the transfer of IP addresses
>     until a solution to correctly identify and prohibit risky transfers
>     is found and implemented.
> 
>     And in order to understand who exactly is against the temporary
>     freeze or who supports it , it would be very good if you wrote a few
>     words about who exactly those who express their position represent.
>     For example, does the company have LIR status, is the company an ISP
>     provider, and if so, in which regions of Ukraine does it provide
>     services. If the LIR is not a ISP provider, does it continue its
>     work in Ukraine? This is purely to understand whether the position
>     of the participant in the discussion is from a representative of the
>     Ukrainian community and what part of this community he represents. ____
> 
> 
>     Otherwise, this discussion may slightly distort the real problems
>     that exist in Ukraine today.
>     ____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     -- ____
> 
>     Viktoriia Opanasiuk____
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> З повагою,
> Вікторія Опанасюк
>