[ncc-services-wg] IP adress transferring in Ukraine

What attitude do people from power have to do with private property, which,
as it was, remained with the owner of the LIR?

On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 5:50 PM Viktoriia Opanasiuk <
viktoriia.opanasiuk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Mattias,
>
> responding on «As this only affects LIRs, I doubt there will be
> significant participation by non-LIRs» I must say that it affects all
> internet service providers that use IP resources. In Ukraine there are more
> than 5 000 registered ISPs, but not all of them are LIRs.
>
>
>
> The situation that we have now is that when russian troops withdraw from
> our territory, they dismantle and take with them not only washing machines,
> but also telecom equipment, TV- and radio-transmitters, leaving people who
> live there without any information channels and means of communication. We
> have to re-build telecom and internet infrastructure, and yes, we could
> bring new equipment there, but if the IP addresses of local Internet
> Providers will be transferred to other parties, we will not be able to
> restore even our critical infrastructure there, and there is no place to
> get new IPv4 addresses.
>
>
>
> Therefore any solutions that involve allowing transfers now and somehow
> reverting them later are not solving this immediate problem that we have.
>
>
>
>
> Viktoriia Opanasiuk
>
> чт, 27 окт. 2022 г. в 16:59, Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel at staclar.com
> >:
>
>> Hi Viktoriia,
>>
>>
>>
>> RIPE operates on consensus policies. A new policy cannot be adopted if
>> there is a meaningful number of objections like clearly there is here.
>>
>>
>>
>> As has been explained in the in-person meetings, a freeze cannot be
>> implemented until a corresponding policy is in place, as this may otherwise
>> open up the RIPE NCC to civil liability. Of course, there is also a risk
>> that a freeze could negatively impact Ukrainian LIRs (for example ones who
>> may want to sell parts of their IP space to fund continued operations).
>>
>>
>>
>> For the reasons above, I personally don’t think that a blanket ban will
>> be a good solution. Instead, the RIPE NCC should conduct increased due
>> diligence on transfers from Ukraine and other high-risk regions. From what
>> I understand, the NCC has already implemented these measures.
>>
>>
>>
>> Most of the recent emails have already identified themselves as
>> Ukrainian, some including a reg-id or at least mentioning they were an LIR
>> as well. As this only affects LIRs, I doubt there will be significant
>> participation by non-LIRs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthias Merkel
>>
>> Staclar, Inc.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *ncc-services-wg <ncc-services-wg-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of
>> Viktoriia Opanasiuk <viktoriia.opanasiuk at gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Thursday, 27. October 2022 at 15:51
>> *To: *ncc-services-wg at ripe.net <ncc-services-wg at ripe.net>
>> *Subject: *[ncc-services-wg] IP adress transferring in Ukraine
>>
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>>
>>
>> Looking at such a broad discussion around the issue of the decision to
>> protect Ukrainian IP resources, I want to add a comment and a wish.
>>
>>
>>
>> First of all, I would like to clarify the issue a little. We are only
>> talking about temporarily freezing the transfer of IP addresses until a
>> solution to correctly identify and prohibit risky transfers is found and
>> implemented.
>>
>> And in order to understand who exactly is against the temporary freeze or
>> who supports it , it would be very good if you wrote a few words about who
>> exactly those who express their position represent.
>> For example, does the company have LIR status, is the company an ISP
>> provider, and if so, in which regions of Ukraine does it provide services.
>> If the LIR is not a ISP provider, does it continue its work in Ukraine?
>> This is purely to understand whether the position of the participant in the
>> discussion is from a representative of the Ukrainian community and what
>> part of this community he represents.
>>
>>
>> Otherwise, this discussion may slightly distort the real problems that
>> exist in Ukraine today.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Viktoriia Opanasiuk
>>
>
>
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> Вікторія Опанасюк
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