[ncc-services-wg] ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 118, Issue 23

Hello, so, as I understood, all this should be resolved by 31 december
2022?
And my "stuck" transfers should be ok?
I don't want any blocks or bans for my resources etc.

Thanks.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 1:56 PM Serhii Khomenko <khomenko.serhii.m at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello to everyone,
>
> Let me clarify my point of view.
> As we have already found out — the russians are the only ones who can
> steal Internet resources from Ukrainian companies.
>
> !! The only correct solution is to block RU from all opportunities in both
> ways: to receive and to offer Internet resources. !!
>
> It can be a temporary solution - until the end of the war and the complete
> withdrawal of all russians from Ukrainian territories, including Crimea,
> Donetsk and Luhansk regions. And don't say that it's not possible - RIPE
> has already made such restrictions for the whole country - Ukraine.
> What is the problem? Against Ukraine, RIPE NCC were not so afraid to act
> decisively and impose restrictions.
>
> > Stop transfer from UA to RU LIRs? Ok, but such transfers usual not to RU
> LIRs.
>
> Do you mean that russians can steal resources by transferring them not to
> russian companies, but to European ones? Do you have such evidences that
> European companies are helping the criminal activities of russians?
>
> > Okay, but what territory of the UA at the time of confirmation is under
> occupation? And how RIPE NCC know it's surely?
>
> Interesting things. Since 2014 russians occupied a huge part of Ukraine
> (Crimea, parts of Luhansk and Donetsk reg.) but RIPE didn't try to protect
> companies on occupied territories for more than 8 years.
>
> But now RIPE NCC would like to maniacally protect Ukrainian companies by
> blocking all transfers for all Ukraine. "I will kill you but protect you" —
> once again, thank you RIPE NCC very much for such "support" and
> "protection".
>
> Kind regards,
> Serhii
>
>
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 01:19:40 +0200
>> From: Serg Galat <greysticky at gmail.com>
>> To: ncc-services-wg at ripe.net
>> Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 118, Issue
>>         20
>> Message-ID: <91738161-33B7-479C-B73E-C0104913806B at gmail.com>
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>>
>> Dear colleague,
>>
>> To my mind you don't see the latest RIPE event.
>> Or didn't look carefully.
>>
>> I'm fully agree with point 1 of your speech.
>> That is, there is a problem. But there's no solution, or a legitimate
>> solution.
>>
>> Stop transfer from UA to RU LIRs? Ok, but such transfers usual not to RU
>> LIRs.
>> Accept transfers from UA to UA? Okay, but what territory of the UA at the
>> time of confirmation is under occupation? And how RIPE NCC know it's surely?
>>
>> And RIPE NCC is not blocking transfers by himself. The part of ua LIRs
>> ask NCC to do that. Temporarily.
>> Until this working group adopts the necessary changes to the relevant
>> polices.
>>
>> So no cynicism and naivety. Or something similar. That's if it's fair.
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 19 Dec 2022, at 23:09, Serhii Khomenko <khomenko.serhii.m at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I still will not get tired of being surprised at how naive people who
>> live in civilized European countries. Although, maybe it's just a cynicism.
>> >
>> > 1. The only reason why we are discussing this topic (limiting the
>> rights of Ukrainian companies) is the aggression of the russians. They are
>> the only ones who can steal blocks of addresses in Ukraine, threatening the
>> holders of Internet resources with death.
>> > Instead of punishing the aggressor, you implement restrictions on the
>> victim of aggression.
>> > -- I assume that this is cynicism.
>> >
>> > 2. If you did not know, notary services are not for free. We are all
>> Ukrainians now actively sponsoring the Armed Forces of Ukraine who are the
>> only guarantor of the security of our companies. And instead of sending
>> funds to strengthen the defense of Ukraine, you want to implement on us the
>> obligation to pay an additional fees for the notary services. Thank you so
>> much for your "support".
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > 3. As we have already determined, the only reason for your concern and
>> maniacal desire to violently protect the resources of Ukrainian companies
>> is russians.
>> >
>> > Also, everyone knows that hundreds of thousands of russists came not
>> only to Ukraine, but also to dozens of countries of the European Union. And
>> they can do whatever they want on the territory of the EU: the Skripal
>> case, the Litvinenko case etc. The only difference is that Ukrainians have
>> learned  how to mix them with the soil. European countries do not know how
>> to do this. So your companies are more vulnerable to the russians. Why
>> don't you change the RIPE policy to limit the rights for companies
>> throughout the territory of RIPE? Why don't you want to oblige European
>> companies to pay for notary services during transfers as well or stop any
>> transfers through all the RIPE countries at all?
>> >
>> > -- Cynicism? Yes cynicism.
>> >
>> > 4. Why don't you want to implement a single effective way to protect
>> all companies within the RIPE ?- blocking all transfers to a single
>> criminal -- the russians??? And it will not be necessary to impose
>> restrictions of the rights and freedoms for the European companies.
>> > But you won't do that - too much money comes from russists to RIPE, and
>> everyone knows it.
>> >
>> > - You know nothing about European values, unless these values are
>> refined mercantile cynicism.
>> >
>> >
>> > IMPLEMENT YOUR RESTRICTIONS FOR russia NOT FOR UKRAINE!!
>> > Or implement the same new policy for the whole RIPE region otherwise it
>> will be discrimination of Ukraine based on national origin.
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> > Serhii
>> >
>>
>> --
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