[ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks

Only you can do is to publish my personal data and link to a youcontrol 
company that you said is a corrupted non-representative source. And some 
slander, of course.

It only shows the sample of ukrainian corrupted officials, and does not 
help to solve the problem in any way.

13.12.22 19:04, Федієнко Олександр Павлович via ncc-services-wg пише:
> Mrs. Yulia, or perhaps Mr. Tulyev, who writes on behalf of Yulia, are you not tired of breaking comedy here yet?
> 
> It is really funny when the same person writes, from different companies, although he is the ultimate beneficiary of all these companies:)
> https://webber.net.ua/documents/index.html
> https://youcontrol.com.ua/ru/catalog/company_details/24578034/
> Information about the ultimate beneficial owner (controller) of a legal entity, including the ultimate beneficial owner (controller) of its founder
> 
> Тульєв Максим Валерійович
> Україна, 04213, місто Київ, пр.Героїв Сталінграда, будинок , квартира
> Maksym Valeriyovych Tuliev
> Ukraine, 04213, city of Kyiv, Heroiv Stalingrada Ave., building, apartment
> 
> We are all waiting for the appropriate new rules to be developed, I personally do not see any problems here.
> Although here you can really remember the proverb, when the hat is on fire on the swindler.
> 
> With respect to RIPE NCC
> Fediienko Olexandr
> Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ncc-services-wg <ncc-services-wg-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of Yuri Varenitsa
> Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 1:03 PM
> To: ncc-services-wg at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks
> 
> Dear all
> 
> We have sent almost dozen of tickets starting the November. Neither one is closed.
> 
> What should I say to the clients? How long will it take now to get the answer to the tickets?
> Can you give please approximate date of feedback?
> 
> There is no such attitude even towards Iran and ru.
> 
> All agreements and contracts were hung up thanks to the "wonderful"
> actions of Fedienko and co, which are even NOT a LIR at all. "They helped so much."
> 
> What will we do next?
> 
> 
> --
> Kind regards, Yuri Varenytsa
> 
> On 08.12.2022 12:59, Kseniya Sokol wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Перенаправленное сообщение --------
>> Тема: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks
>> Дата: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 16:08:50 +0200
>> От: Max Tulyev <president at ukraine.su>
>> Кому: ncc-services-wg at ripe.net
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>> There are a lot of countries never had open online company register.
>> And transfers works with them well.
>>
>> 06.12.22 13:21, Olha Sira пише:
>>> Dear Olena,
>>>
>>> I am speaking about controlled territories and entities that
>>> registered on the controlled territories. You are aware that borders
>>> of the occupied territories change slightly near the front line, but
>>> a big part of the country isn't affected by direct contact with
>>> Russians. I am sorry, but it looks like you are trying to
>>> misrepresent information about the general situation in Ukraine and
>>> get an advantage from that situation in our country.  You mention
>>> horror and violence in uncontrolled territories, which is an obvious
>>> fact. But you are using this fact to convince RIPE NCC to keep
>>> blocking the transfers for the rest of Ukraine, which isn't occupied.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:50 PM Олена Кушнір <kea at webpro.net.ua
>>> <mailto:kea at webpro.net.ua>> wrote:
>>>
>>>      Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga
>>>
>>>      I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact
>>> with
>>>      Russians, who might force IP
>>>      holders to make unlawful transfers."
>>>      Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an
>>>      email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical
>>> impact
>>>      on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled
>>>      territories.
>>>      Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change
>>>      every day.
>>>      I must also remind you _that open company registries are not
>>>      available_ during wartime. That is why it is technically
>>> impossible
>>>      to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions.
>>>
>>> Yes, the open _company registries are not available _at the moment.
>>> But the solution has been introduced. I wouldn't be so categoretic
>>> that a legitimacy of the signatory is impossible to check.
>>>
>>>
>>>      Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work.
>>>      And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war.
>>>
>>>
>>>      _______________
>>>      Best regards,
>>>      Olena Kushnir
>>>
>>>      www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua>
>>>
>>>
>>>>      5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych at gmail.com
>>>>      <mailto:vasylevych at gmail.com>> написав(ла):
>>>>
>>>>      Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues,
>>>>
>>>>      It was an extremely good and balanced  decision to continue IP
>>>> address
>>>>      transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled
>>>>      territories.
>>>>      But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any
>>>>      accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE
>>>> 85
>>>>      meeting.
>>>>      It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to
>>>>      counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities.
>>>>
>>>>      Please note,  that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory
>>>> the
>>>>      danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks  and
>>>> electricity
>>>>      outages, which cause absence of  water and heating.
>>>>      But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP
>>>>      holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the
>>>> previous
>>>>      discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian
>>>> Government-controlled
>>>>      territory does more harm than good.
>>>>
>>>>      Your comprehension are greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>      Kind regards,
>>>>      Olha Sira
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen
>>>>      <hph+announce at ripe.net <mailto:hph+announce at ripe.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>      Dear colleagues,
>>>>>
>>>>>      At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community
>>>>>      discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian
>>>>>      networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at
>>>>>      RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next.
>>>>>
>>>>>      At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the
>>>>>      following points:
>>>>>
>>>>>      - Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian
>>>>>      networks until a better solution can be found
>>>>>      - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk
>>>>> to
>>>>>      lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred
>>>>> for
>>>>>      a set period of time
>>>>>      - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without
>>>>>      going through the policy development process, especially as
>>>>>      policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE
>>>>> PDP
>>>>>      even if there is unanimous support
>>>>>      - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more
>>>>>      active role in terms of approving registry updates
>>>>>      - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency
>>>>>
>>>>>      However, we do note that there have been further comments on
>>>>> the
>>>>>      mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers.
>>>>>
>>>>>      As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian
>>>>>      networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will
>>>>> of
>>>>>      course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence
>>>>> when
>>>>>      reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay,
>>>>>      which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances
>>>>> and
>>>>>      given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
>>>>>
>>>>>      This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the
>>>>>      advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE
>>>>> NCC
>>>>>      staff are currently investigating additional short-term
>>>>> measures
>>>>>      and we will update you on our next steps after these have been
>>>>>      discussed with the Executive Board.
>>>>>
>>>>>      We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on
>>>>> the
>>>>>      mailing lists in the meantime.
>>>>>
>>>>>      Kind regards
>>>>>
>>>>>      Hans Petter Holen
>>>>>      Managing Director
>>>>>      RIPE NCC
>>>>>
>>>>>      --
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