[ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks

Indeed.

There are a lot of countries never had open online company register. And 
transfers works with them well.

06.12.22 13:21, Olha Sira пише:
> Dear Olena,
> 
> I am speaking about controlled territories and entities that registered 
> on the controlled territories. You are aware that borders of the 
> occupied territories change slightly near the front line, but a big part 
> of the country isn't affected by direct contact with  Russians. I am 
> sorry, but it looks like you are trying to misrepresent information 
> about the general situation in Ukraine and get an advantage from that 
> situation in our country.  You mention horror and violence in 
> uncontrolled territories, which is an obvious fact. But you are using 
> this fact to convince RIPE NCC to keep blocking the transfers for the 
> rest of Ukraine, which isn't occupied.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:50 PM Олена Кушнір <kea at webpro.net.ua 
> <mailto:kea at webpro.net.ua>> wrote:
> 
>     Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga
> 
>     I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with
>     Russians, who might force IP
>     holders to make unlawful transfers."
>     Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an
>     email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact
>     on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled
>     territories.
>     Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change
>     every day.
>     I must also remind you _that open company registries are not
>     available_ during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible
>     to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions.
> 
> Yes, the open _company registries are not available _at the moment. But  
> the solution has been introduced. I wouldn't be so categoretic that a 
> legitimacy of the signatory is impossible to check.
> 
> 
>     Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work.
>     And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war.
> 
> 
>     _______________
>     Best regards,
>     Olena Kushnir
> 
>     www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua>
> 
> 
>>     5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:vasylevych at gmail.com>> написав(ла):
>>
>>     Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues,
>>
>>     It was an extremely good and balanced  decision to continue IP address
>>     transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled
>>     territories.
>>     But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any
>>     accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85
>>     meeting.
>>     It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to
>>     counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities.
>>
>>     Please note,  that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the
>>     danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks  and electricity
>>     outages, which cause absence of  water and heating.
>>     But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP
>>     holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous
>>     discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled
>>     territory does more harm than good.
>>
>>     Your comprehension are greatly appreciated.
>>
>>     Kind regards,
>>     Olha Sira
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen
>>     <hph+announce at ripe.net <mailto:hph+announce at ripe.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Dear colleagues,
>>>
>>>     At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community
>>>     discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian
>>>     networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at
>>>     RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next.
>>>
>>>     At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the
>>>     following points:
>>>
>>>     - Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian
>>>     networks until a better solution can be found
>>>     - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to
>>>     lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for
>>>     a set period of time
>>>     - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without
>>>     going through the policy development process, especially as
>>>     policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP
>>>     even if there is unanimous support
>>>     - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more
>>>     active role in terms of approving registry updates
>>>     - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency
>>>
>>>     However, we do note that there have been further comments on the
>>>     mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers.
>>>
>>>     As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian
>>>     networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of
>>>     course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when
>>>     reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay,
>>>     which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and
>>>     given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
>>>
>>>     This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the
>>>     advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC
>>>     staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures
>>>     and we will update you on our next steps after these have been
>>>     discussed with the Executive Board.
>>>
>>>     We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the
>>>     mailing lists in the meantime.
>>>
>>>     Kind regards
>>>
>>>     Hans Petter Holen
>>>     Managing Director
>>>     RIPE NCC
>>>
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