[ncc-services-wg] Fw: New on RIPE Labs: RIPE NCC and the Cloud - Let???s Start Again

On 23/06/2021 19:31, denis walker wrote:

Gert and Denis,

+1!

-Hank

> Colleagues
> 
> Gert put it very simply, I like to elaborate. What is the driving
> force behind this proposal? Is something broken? Has the RIPE NCC
> reached it's limit of capabilities in some area? For decades the RIPE
> NCC has provided the RIPE Database service to an exceptionally high
> standard. They have managed the whole system, it's design, software,
> engineering infrastructure, 24/7 operation, security. They have an
> excellent record of uptime for both updates and queries. They have
> built in resilience that has never yet failed beyond small incidents.
> They not only have significant levels of in-house experience and
> knowledge, but there are so many previous engineers still around
> within the community whose past experience and knowledge the NCC can
> draw on. It seems they now want to take a, potentially, irreversible
> step in a new direction. Sometimes that can be a breath of fresh air
> and breathe new life into a stagnant system. Or it can be the death of
> a previously successful service. So as Gert asked, what is the
> compelling reason for taking this step? Is something likely to break
> if this step is not taken soon?
> 
> As someone else remarked, what happens if the new cloud service 'goes
> down'? Or if data is hacked or non-public data is leaked? Is the risk
> of resource hijacking affected in any way when this data is outside of
> the RIPE NCC and resource holders control? If the current high
> standard of service falls, what will the RIPE NCC's response be? Are
> we going to get that "Sorry but it is outside of our control, please
> contact the cloud provider" answer? Have all of these (and maybe
> other) questions been considered and answered in the proposal and
> impact analyses?
> 
> Has any cost benefit analysis been done in terms of financial, human
> and reputational costs?
> 
> (btw I personally am not for or against the proposal...I am just a
> good devil's advocate and like to help people see things from
> different perspectives)
> 
> cheers
> denis
> co-chair DB-WG
> 
>> From: Gert Doering <gert at space.net>
>> To: Alun Davies <adavies at ripe.net>
>> Cc: "ncc-services-wg at ripe.net" <ncc-services-wg at ripe.net>
>> Sent: Monday, 21 June 2021, 18:17:38 CEST
>> Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] New on RIPE Labs: RIPE NCC and the Cloud - Let???s Start Again
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 11:13:33AM +0200, Alun Davies wrote:
>>> https://labs.ripe.net/author/felipe_victolla_silveira/ripe-ncc-and-the-cloud-lets-start-again/
>>
>>
>> Is it just me or is this a somewhat reactive article that still does not
>> cover the
>>
>>    "what does the NCC want to achieve with 'going to the cloud'"
>>
>> bit?
>>
>> Just because it's en vogue doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
>>
>>
>> (And given that the glorious example of outsourcing the NCC ticket
>> system has *still* not led to an acceptable user experience...)
>>
>> Gert Doering
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