[ncc-services-wg] Divergence of RIPE / RIPE NCC policy

On 20/03/2013 11:48, Daniel Roesen wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:09:16AM +0000, Nigel Titley wrote:
> Not really. The aircrew comprises of the pilot flying (NCC) and
> pilot monitoring (RIPE community). If either one calls out "go around!", a
> missed approach is executed. Too bad in this case the veto (no consensus
> in vafor _is_ a factual veto in PDP) was ignored by the pilot flying.
> Instead of following good CRM procedures and listening to the pilot
> monitoring, he called the aircraft owners. What happens in that kind of
> scenarios then can be read up here: http://avherald.com/h?article=429ec5fa
>
> Regarding the RIPE community only as "passengers" would be troublesome
> to me. The RIPE community is part of the aircrew, in fact the "pilot
> monitoring". The aircraft owner thought the risk was worth taking,
> and the pilot flying adopted that opinion being bound by it, while
> the pilot monitoring vetoed but was ignored. In aviation, that's called
> a complete breakdown of CRM (crew resource management) and utterly
> bad airmanship. :)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crew_resource_management#United_Airlines_Flight_232
> and following sections.
>
> I guess we differ in our interpretation of the role of the RIPE
> community in that analogy.
>
I suspect you may be right. And I also suspect that this analogy has 
been stretched a little too far.

Your point is taken though.

All the best

Nigel