[ncc-services-wg] [news] RPKI and PI End Users Proposal - Feedback Requested

Hi,

 

As I read the email the question in the email is to provide feedback.  

 

How the feedback from the community is used is something that is a different
matter. 

Getting feedback doesn’t mean that a decision is made.   


>          1. Sign an agreement with their sponsoring LIR (a RIPE NCC
member) to
>          have the resources certified by the RIPE NCC via the sponsoring
LIR. In
>          this case, the sponsoring LIR would be responsible for
periodically
>          verifying that the PI End User is the legitimate holder of the
>          resources. 

No questions there 
 

Ø  However, the RIPE NCC will in all cases be responsible for
issuing the resource certificate and providing access to the RPKI
management interface. Therefore, PI End Users should, at all times, be
able to change from one sponsoring LIR to another while still retaining
the same certificate for the resources that they hold. 

I agree that PI End Users should be able to change sponsoring LIR, however
the new Sponsoring LIR will have to go through the paperwork. 

What I would rather see, is that the ROA is re-setup instead of migrated.  

I’m not exactly sure why, but to me that would be a cleaner way of dealing
with moving from sponsoring LIR to another.  

Ø  The cost associated with this option lies in building a framework in the
LIR Portal to facilitate the process, some administrative overhead, and
the additional burden on the RPKI infrastructure, that would not be
funded by the direct beneficiary of the resource certification service.
These costs would come out of the general RIPE NCC budget and would
therefore be funded by all RIPE NCC members, however it is unlikely that
this would have any direct impact on future membership fees.

It might be good to get some kind of budget for this, before we make
assumptions if this would have an impact on the future fees. 

That might also provide some insight if the current fee for PI resources are
covering the fees or if there is change needed.  

As PI space has a cost (also in the current charging scheme), it should be
looked at if the cost for this, can be covered by the PI resource fees, not
increasing the member fees. 

Ø  Alternatively a PI End User may choose to:

2. Become a RIPE NCC member, pay the full annual membership fee and
receive a certificate directly through the RIPE NCC.

The Executive Board feels that offering both of these options will
result in relatively little impact on membership fees while offering all
PI End Users the opportunity to certify their Internet number resources
without being forced to become a member of the RIPE NCC.

No questions on the option becoming a member, that should always be an
option 


Ø  For the sake of completeness, we also present a third scenario discussed
by the Executive Board that would involve giving PI End Users that have
received resources through a sponsoring LIR the option to deal directly
with the RIPE NCC without becoming a RIPE NCC member or needing to make
contact with their sponsoring LIR. They could do this by authenticating
the relevant INETNUM object using their MNTNER, and supplying additional
information directly to the RIPE NCC (company registration papers,
business address details, contact email, etc.) on a periodic basis
(probably every 12-18 months). This option would not entail any fee or
contractual agreement for the PI End User.


However the Executive Board does not see this as a viable option, as the
amount of resources required to check the necessary supporting
documentation and other administrative overheads would be too large a
financial burden on the RIPE NCC membership. The lack of a
periodically-renewed contractual relationship with the PI End User,
while providing them this service, may also cause complications.

I agree that this might not be the best option. I would prefer to have the
End-User deal with the Sponsoring LIR (or RIPE in case it is a Direct
End-User)

But it should be discussed with the community if there should be a method
for a PI End-User to deal directly with the RIPE NCC (via an online
process).  

I don’t think that the Exec Board should dismiss that option upfront.  

 

Also, it should be looked into if there will be an additional charge for the
PI Certification process
 

Will PI space holders see the value for themselves if there is a choice of
paying and getting their resource certified. There is clearly more work
involved for all parties. 

If the process is approved, it might be best to not have a separate cost for
the certification process, but rather check if the current cost of PI
resources need to be looked at when this is going to included. 

 

On the topic how and where this should be discussed and more importantly
where that should be decided, is something for a new thread imho. 

 

Regards,

Erik Bais 

 

 

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