[ncc-services-wg] 2012-07 Discussion Period extended until 21 February 2013 (RIPE NCC Service to Legacy Internet Resource Holders)

Dear Randy,

On 2/7/13 12:27 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
>>>> I think maybe it would be good to deal with the certification issue
>>>> in a separate policy, because it's difficult.
>>> definitely!  we need more corner-case policies :)
>> If there isn't a policy to deal with this, de-facto due diligence
>> policies will need be created by the registration services department
>> to handle certification requirements for ERX users.
> well, to me, it's not a policy per se, but a requirement and a process.
> and it applies both to bringing legacy and pi in from the cold.  i am
> more concerned with the requirements, what makes us comfortable in
> establishing that a claimant indeed is the legitimate holder of some
> resource(s).  you seem to be more focused on making sure the process of
> meeting those requirements is not onerous.  i think both are quite
> legitimate concerns.
>
> Andrea's statement on this is interesting:
>
>      We have however built some experience reviewing proof of holdership
>      of legacy resources over time. 84 organisations have asked the RIPE
>      NCC to add their legacy resources to an LIR. As mentioned in this
>      email thread, some cases have been straightforward while other cases
>      have required in-depth research and review of documentation.
>
> one has to wonder what criteria and methods the ncc uses.

Our experience has shown us that each case is unique and can require 
very different approaches to establish beyond doubt who is the 
legitimate holder of the resources.

We start by checking to see if we have relevant information internally. 
This can take the form of internal database information, InterNIC 
documentation or communication from that period (faxes, letters, etc.).

We then look at the corporate paper trail. This involves tracking 
companies that in many cases have changed name, merged with other 
companies, been acquired or simply closed down.

In some cases there is quite a lot of information available and in 
others very little. In many cases, the available information turns out 
to be disputed or incorrect. All of this means that this is usually a 
time-consuming and resource-intensive process.

Best regards,

Andrea Cima
RIPE NCC


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