[ncc-services-wg] 2012-07 Discussion Period extended until 21 February 2013 (RIPE NCC Service to Legacy Internet Resource Holders)

Dear Martin,

On 2/4/13 3:36 PM, Martin Stanislav wrote:
> Just thinking out loudly. Perhaps, a disputed resource holder 
> identification or existence? That's a case when a second paragraph in 
> the section 2.5 is to become applicable.
>>> - there is probably a requirement for the LRHs to provide some form of
>>> formal identification about who they are and why they have a claim on the
>>> resources they claim to hold.  For sure, the RIPE NCC cannot certify
>>> resources without a reasonable level of due diligence.
>> This is usually the biggest obstacle in my experience. We regularly help
>> LRH:s with these matters and I think there should be clearer definitions
>> of the paper work needed for identification. We are often talking about
>> events 15-20 years back and since many LRH:s are large corporate groups
>> they have often changed names and structure a few times since and now they
>> have no idea what documentation to provide to prove they are acually the
>> same entity.
> Maybe RIPE NCC can help here, since mergers, takeovers and cease to exist
> situations do happen with LIRs or PI holders as well. And RIPE NCC is likely
> to have some experience in this area. Though, there are differences
> complicating the matter a bit. No initial relationship between the RIPE NCC
> and a LRH and a rather long time span. Have some of the related issues
> been sorted out during the ERX project?

Proof of holdership was not part of the ERX project in the RIPE NCC 
service region. The main focus has been the RIR database records 
transfer. For more information, please see the outcome of the ERX Task 
Force effort:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/db-wg/2002-October/002026.html
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/erx-tf/2002/


In other RIR regions, evaluating proof of holdership and formalising the 
relationship between the address space holder and the RIR has been a 
follow-up of the ERX project:
http://www.apnic.net/policy/historical-resource-policies
https://www.arin.net/resources/legacy/index.html


We have however built some experience reviewing proof of holdership of 
legacy resources over time. 84 organisations have asked the RIPE NCC to 
add their legacy resources to an LIR. As mentioned in this email thread, 
some cases have been straightforward while other cases have required 
in-depth research and review of documentation.

Best regards,
Andrea Cima
RIPE NCC


> I support the proposed policy 2012-07 as it is. Sure, the text can
> be improved and I'm likely to restate the support in such case.
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> Martin
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