[ncc-services-wg] Re: [dns-wg] Re: dnsmon / .org

David,

You can't talk about monopoly when you refer to a non profit organisation.
If I follow your line of thought then many other European organisations are
also monopolies and should draw attention.  In that case, we better all go
to Cancun instead of the next RIPE meeting.

I think the real question is how could the RIPE catter to ALL of its
members.

So say:

1) You have a basic fee for a basic service
2) You have options which you can subscribe to or not - for instance if you
want informations on traffic then you have to participate financially.

This would mean that as far as IP registering all members would pay a comon
fee (which still could be separated in small, large, etc.) and that the
money obtained from this would go to registery services and a bit of the
overall RIPE structure.

For the rest of the services, they would have to be financed by those who
want them. Again what is paid by those would go into a separate slot and
would finance their needs.

However, if the RIPE is also recognized by EU institutions as THE central
body then some grants should be obtainable from the EU to work on EU
projects related to services the RIPE can offer.  If such grants are
obtained, then it is tax money from all EU citizens which finance some
overall EU/RIPE activities which the RIPE is probably the best body in EU to
do.

So you'd have three things:
- basic services paid by basic fees available to all
- options paid by those interested  available to those who pay the extra bit
- overall EU/RIPE services available to all and paid by EU

Pascal Julienne
www.euroconnect.fr





Daniel,

On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 03:50:01PM +0200, Daniel Karrenberg wrote:
>
> I could write a reply rant about the individual points in your rant but
> the main difference of opinion we have is about the mission of the RIPE
NCC.
> This mission is broader than just being a RIR:

While I would like to agree with you, I don't think it is all that simple.

To me it sounds like this whole discussion is avoiding the real
problem:

The RIPE NCC's RIR function is a monopoly. People who need addresses
cannot go anywhere else. They have the option to become a LIR and pay
for all it's services or choose not to receive any ip addresses at all.

Sooner or later this is going to draw unwanted attention from
authorities. Isn't it better to take preventive action now and make
sure that the monopoly function is sufficiently separate of the other
activities of the NCC in order to avoid this kind of problems ?!?

David K.
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