[ncc-services-wg] RIPE tasks

>> You have been. You might not like how that process have been done, but
>> you have most certainly had the opportunity to comment on it all on
>> the mailinglists.
>
> And opinions like mine are noted and then ignored.

If you are alone - yes. From the discussions from the vinter/spring 
from what I can remember you where far from ignored.


> I am not alone in making
> these comments, but I may be unique in that I am my own employer, the 
> RIPE
> membership fees are *mine* and I don't really care about being 
> ridiculed for
> talking about the lack of cloth in the emporers new clothes in public.

I don't see anyone ridiculing you. I see people disagreeing with you. 
They are in their full right to do so.

>>> You missed the bit about *asking* us what we think.
>>
>> No, I said in another email I think that the WG should discuss the
>> projects, and running ones based on performance. However, the WG can
>> not have the decision right as that is with the AGM.
>
> Why not ? The AGM should be a rubber stamp occasion where the 
> "consensus"
> arrived at either on mailing lists on through online voting is 
> approved for
> legal reasons. Come on, why not ? Your turn to answer a question 
> instead of
> answering with another question.

Read what I write above. I have no problem with the WG discussing the 
activities of the NCC. However the WG is open to _anyone_, not just NCC 
membership.

>> I don't think anyone have forgotten this. Much of the input from the
>> KPMG survey centers around this and from what I understand that was
>> the sole reason for Axel to start the effort. I am sure Axel can
>> comment on this...
>
> I would have thought an opitional quarterly online survey would provide
> better value than a once-in-a-decade KPMG one. But change might come.

I think a more often KPMG like survey is more of value than forcing the 
RIPE NCC management and staff live under quarterly stability. That is 
how large listed companies operates. I think the NCC have a bit to 
before being there...

- kurtis -