[ncc-services-wg] Re: [address-policy-wg] Re: ICANN vs RIPE N CC, was Re: Summary of the PI ......

 
I agree fully with you, Daniele.
 
Mike Norris
 

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In a message dated 11/08/03 17:51:19 W. Europe Daylight Time,
daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net writes:



I have not stopped listening to concrete ideas about improving the RIPE
NCC.

I am still here at the RIPE NCC working and listening.  Of course the
bureaucratic developments you sneer at *do* happen to some degree.  This
is inevitable and both you and I know it.  The ability of individuals
like you and me to influence things immediately and directly is reduced.
Of course I personally I do not agree with all things the RIRs do and
more often I do not agree with *how* things are done. 

What seems to divide us is that I still work to improve the 'least of
all evils' structure and you sneer at it providing no alternative.  
I would hope that more people will chose the former instead of the
latter.
I also hope that people still see the relative mertis and the
differences in legitimacy that exist between the various organisations. 
Sneering at the RIPE NCC without suggesting either alternatives or
improvements does not help. 




I stand 100% with Daniel here. I can't speak for the others RIRs but I
strongly believe the RIPE-NCC has made significant efforts in the recent
past to listen to its membership, streamline procedures, and positively
react to constructive criticism. 

There is more work to do, no doubt about it, but I can't see how flaming
on mailing lists helps.

Whomever has concrete ideas: I propose we move this discussion to the
ncc-services-wg list/group, that was created exactly for this purpose.

Daniele 

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