<HTML dir=ltr><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=unicode"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2912" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US dir=ltr vLink=navy link=blue> <DIV id=idOWAReplyText9978 dir=ltr> <DIV dir=ltr>Dear All,</DIV> <DIV dir=ltr> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr>I'm sorry for late in participating.... Malik, I vote for MENOG. It'll be great if we can make it, of course it'll need a lot of discussion regarding where will it based, rules, who will operate it's website, who could be a member & how,...etc.</DIV> <DIV dir=ltr>Regarding the traceroute subject, I've made trace route to the same websites from my DSL (attached). The first 3 hops omitted as it's local & private IP's. Saleem, please notice the last traceroute for <A href="http://www.etisalat.ae">www.etisalat.ae</A> it takes more than 24 hops !!!</DIV> <DIV dir=ltr>I think we(Egypt) should have a peering in any point whether in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, EMIX or even in Sudan. According to FLAG cable or SMW3 cable we can choose the nearest country next to Egypt in the path & peer with it.</DIV> <DIV dir=ltr> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV dir=ltr>Haitham EL Nakhal</DIV> <DIV dir=ltr>Advisor, ICT technical Affairs</DIV> <DIV dir=ltr>NTRA, Egypt</DIV> <DIV dir=ltr>Mobile: +20 10 608 7150</DIV> <DIV dir=ltr>Office: +20 2 534 1123</DIV> <DIV dir=ltr>Fax: +20 2 534 0000</DIV> <DIV dir=ltr> </DIV></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr> <HR tabIndex=-1> From: ncc-regional-middle-east-admin@ripe.net on behalf of Malik Awan Sent: Wed 6/7/2006 3:58 PM To: ncc-regional-middle-east@ripe.net Cc: 'Salman Al-Mannai'; 'John Leong'; 'Cyndi Mills'; 'Paul Rendek' Subject: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Middle East Network Operators Group (MENOG) </DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=Section1> Dear All, I would like to float the idea of holding a Birds-of-a-Feather (BOF) meeting to discuss establishing a Middle East Network Operators Group (MENOG). The purpose of MENOG would be to provide a purely technical forum for technical experts to meet, discuss technical and operational issues, share knowledge and exchange experiences to improve the quality of Internet within the region and worldwide. Such an informal group might hold BOF sessions during other regional meetings of related Internet organizations. Sample objectives might include: 1. Discuss Optimal Routing policies within the region and towards the Internet 2. Implement traffic measurement tools to improve performance and quality of the Internet connectivity within the region. 3. Tutorials, technical presentations and courses to enhance technical skills 4. Interface with Academia in the region to assist with mutually beneficial research projects in the technology area. 5. Invite and interface with representatives from other NOGs to benefit from each other’s experiences Many such groups are already working actively in other parts of the world, but there is a need to establish one in the Middle East. Perhaps we could have a BOF session for MENOG at the next Regional RIPE meeting. Below is a brief list of NOGs working in various parts of the world: NANOG (North American Network Operators Group) <A title=http://www.nanog.org/ href="http://www.nanog.org/">http://www.nanog.org</A> AfNOG (African Network Operator Group) <A title=http://www.afnog.org/ href="http://www.afnog.org/">http://www.afnog.org/</A> SANOG (South Asian Operators Group) <A title=http://www.sanog.org/ href="http://www.sanog.org/">http://www.sanog.org/</A> APOPS (The Asia Pacific Operators Forum) <A title=http://www.apops.net/ href="http://www.apops.net/">http://www.apops.net/</A> For a complete worldwide list, please check: <A title=http://www.nanog.org/orgs.html href="http://www.nanog.org/orgs.html">http://www.nanog.org/orgs.html</A> Please feel free to share your thoughts. Regards, Malik Malik Awan Senior Network Manager Carnegie Mellon University in Qatar Office: +974 492-8952 Mobile: +974 553-7394 </DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>