<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> </head> <body> <div dir="ltr"> <div> <div dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr">Well, some have asked or said something every now and then, sometimes even providing [subjectively] constructive input in the past.<span></span></div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">There have brief discussions w.r.t. what could be reduced or changed in either the budget or in activities at least:</div> <div dir="ltr"> <ul data-editing-info="{"orderedStyleType":1,"unorderedStyleType":2}" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"> <li style="list-style-type: "- ";"><span>Prior to 2023 AGM (a year ago),<br> </span></li></ul> </div> <div dir="ltr"> <ul data-editing-info="{"orderedStyleType":1,"unorderedStyleType":2}" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"> <li style="list-style-type: "- ";"><span>When the 2024 draft activity plan was published (last fall),<br> </span></li></ul> </div> <div dir="ltr"> <ul data-editing-info="{"orderedStyleType":1,"unorderedStyleType":2}" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"> <li style="list-style-type: "- ";"><span>Now, prior to the 2024 AGM<br> </span></li></ul> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Won't go summarizing the whys or whynots. <span style="font-size: inherit;">You can find the threads in the archives. </span><span style="font-size: inherit;">But yes, other than that you're entirely correct. :)</span></div> <div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: inherit;"><br> </span></div> <div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: inherit;">While the volume of the list has grown significantly in the last few days, I believe it </span><span style="font-size: inherit;">is better. I mean, better than when this list was moderated, and discussions weren't possible due to approval latency. So, some positive feedback right here.</span></div> <div dir="ltr"><span id="ms-outlook-ios-cursor"></span></div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">I would also take the opportunity to note that when the draft plan for the following year is published it is probably too late to expect change anything beyond a word here or there. Realistically only small changes can happen along with some kind of juggling as was seen with the slight reduction in operating budget for this fiscal year. This is good for continuity of the organization as well as its goals but of course annoying for those who have called for larger changes, whatever they might be. The implication is that feedback can be given but not necessarily lead to anything meaningful. Maybe some people do not understand this.</div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">If one wanted or needed to do larger changes<span> targeting the following fiscal year, they would really have to be agreed and decided on already in the spring. This should be obvious to anyone who has soft budgeted anything for a ramp up or a ramp down.</span></div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Now that the proposed budget that will pass<span style="font-size: inherit;"> includes last year's increase, which didn't happen, it is like going one step forward, two steps back.</span></div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">I would observe that if quite many people, representing the membership, are seemingly unhappy there is probably an underlying reason for it. Anecdotally it is true that one can't make everyone happy, ever. But looking at what has been written here now and, in the past, as well as at the short proposal on the agenda getting 700+ votes in support... well people do not seem to get/feel/perceive the implied value of everything RIPE provides or does.</div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">On the other hand, there are people who to talk about the community feeling and the wonderful meetings and all of that and reminisce of the past when everybody knew e<span>ach other. I would observe here that many people cannot get travel permission to spend a week at a meeting. If they do, they need to show relevance and value to their manager. </span><span style="font-size: inherit;">Yes, I know a survey was done and having looked at the survey results in detail have this question. If everything is so peachy and appreciated, why are customers unhappy?</span></div> <div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: inherit;"><br> </span></div> <div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: inherit;"><span dir="ltr" style="text-decoration:none">Around 1/4 of the budget is annually spent on what can be termed as marketing or as the organization labels it on community engagement. If people do not understand the benefits, well, <span>something is off. :)</span></span><br> </span></div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">It would probably be in the organization's best interest to show better the true value of the services they provide. One-liners, slogans, and blog posts do not seem to be enough. One<span style="text-decoration: none; display: inline !important; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> cannot force your customers to change. To stay relevant for its customers the organization must accept that change is inevitable. Sorry, not sorry.</span></div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"></div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> </div> </div> <div id="ms-outlook-mobile-signature"> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div style="direction:ltr">Kaj</div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div style="direction:ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div> </div> <div id="mail-editor-reference-message-container" class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message"> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Alex Le Heux <aleheux@ting.com><br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 17, 2024 11:04 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Kai Siering <k.siering@team.mail.de><br> <b>Cc:</b> RIPE member discuss list <members-discuss@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] 2024/2025 Activity plan and budget <div> </div> </font></div> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Exchange Server"> <font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText">> <br> > That became obvious rather early in your mail ;) Nonetheless, I think the whole process of financing RIPE NCC needs to be redone. Being only asked how to distribute the budgeted amount, without being asked (in a vote) in which direction the Activity Plan (& Budget) should develop is just wrong. IMHO, YMMV.<br> <br> You were asked. Numerous times. 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